Talk:2020 Summer Olympics/Archive 2

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probably, Baron de Coubertin and his associates were unable to count, or else they would had started the "modern" Summer Olympics in 1897 C.E. instead. This year, the "First year of the 700th Olympiad" (or "Ol. 700.1") will begin on 22 July 2021 C.E. (11th day of the Attic month Hekatombaion), and the "modern" Summer Olympics are scheduled to begin just one day later, on 23 July 2021 C.E. Now, the "International Olympic Committee" have a great opportunity to "put things right" and correct the wrong years of Baron de Coubertin, by simply for the future schedule every "modern" Summer Olympics for the Gregorian years congruent to 1 modulo 4 (i.e. the years 2025 C.E., 2029 C.E., 2033 C.E. 2037 C.E., 2041 C.E., 2045 C.E., and so on). In this way, the "modern" Summer Olympics will always begin at appoximately the same time as the ancient Olympic counting of years would have given as the beginning of the "First year of the Nth Olympiad". And now, when we are approaching the 700th Olympiad, let the "Olympic time" be set "right" again with "modern" Summer Olympics occurring in the "right" years; do not let us wait until the 800th Olympiad! /Erik Ljungstrand (Sweden)

232:, but to a reader new to the topic, that could be a distinction without a meaningful difference when reading the overview of this article. The 1944 Olympics (to use one of the examples above) were indeed cancelled, but there was an Olympics four years later in the same city where it had been scheduled (London). To a casual reader, is there a distinction between an Olympics being cancelled and an Olympics that could be said to have been postponed for four years? Does it improve understanding of the topic in the introduction to make it sound as though this is the first time that an "entire Olympics" (as opposed to a half Olympics?) has ever been postponed? It is not the first time that a scheduled Olympics did not place in the year in which it had been scheduled to occur; that has happened three times before. 400:, can you please stop your blanket reverts with regards to the future tenses. It is simply inappropriate to guarantee future events in our own voice. That is just not our assessment to make. Using a conditional future tense is much more appropriate and accurate as the recent developments regarding this event have proven. I also don't understand why you keep reapplying future tense to events that are actually already in the past like for instance part of the torch relay. It be much more helpful if you would focus your efforts on the dozens of articles on the sports events that were schedule to take place this summer and now incorrectly state that they 3202:, the word "Summer" is key to the definition of the event and the sports contained in it, so we do certainly need to call it " Summer Olympics". The summer games have been held in the autumn on several occasions, and after all, it's winter in the southern hemisphere when it's summer up here anyway, so "summer" is just a referential label. However, I still oppose an immediate move as I think we need to let the dust settle first and wait for the IOC and media to start referring to them as the "2021 Summer Olympics". And we can't be certain that that will happen as they may prefer to keep the general title in line with the branding anyway. 1524:. 2020 Summer Olympics (or just 2020 Olympics) is overwhelmingly the common name now, also in today's news stories about the postponement. It may change but we don't know. When going to page 4, there are merely 33 Google hits on "2021 Summer Olympics" and nearly all are unreliable, duplicates or only mentioning it as a possible name. We have 335 articles, 85 categories and 52 templates with "2020 Summer Olympics" in the name. Mass moves will start quickly if we move the main article. Delay this chaos which may be reverted later and let's wait and see what becomes the common name. The redirect at 1028:

bid for the Summer Olympics in 2040, we can pretty safely says the media will write the headline "City bids for 2040 Summer Olympics". Again, we are dealing with a case which has never happened before, so to say that the media will definitely call it the "2021 Summer Olympics" because it is now scheduled to be held in 2021 is pure speculation. Just because the year it was scheduled to be held has been changed does not invalidate all the articles that had been written by the media in the past days/weeks/months/years, which all use the name "2020 Summer Olympics".

2620:"It doesn't need to be; as a fundamental principle, it is above any policy." Above any policy. Including the sourcing policy. As we stand now, almost everyone is using the sourcing policy as proof-positive that Knowledge should continue to knowingly and incorrectly title a page. The title is presently 2020 Summer Olympics. But even the sources say no, these Summer Olympics will not occur in the summer of 2020. Bottom line, the 2020 Summer Olympics do not exist anymore. The next Summer Olympics will occur in the Summer of 2021. If it takes invoking 1164:

such a special case, so I do not see why we should just blindly follow the convention without gathering more information from other sources (media, official name, general public sentiment etc). Just because it has been moved does not mean the media has now stopped calling it the "2020 Summer Olympics". I mean, do an internet news search, even those that are reporting on the schedule change are still calling it the "2020 Summer Olympics", using headlines such as "Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympics Officially Postponed Due To Coronavirus"

987:(at least until we know how the media will call the event in 2021). All Olympics are called "WXYZ Summer (or Winter) Olympics", with WXYZ being the year, because the Olympics were always held during the year when it was supposed to be held (apart from those that were cancelled altogether). We have never had a case where the Olympics Games were moved to another year, so we cannot predict how the media will call this special event which has no precedent. So to predict that the media will call it the "2021 Summer Olympics" is 543: 31: 4644:, with a Diff as long as this one! : « diffhist 2020 Summer Olympics‎ 14:11 0‎ ‎Canterbury Tail talk contribs‎ rv per WP:BRD, see talk. Additionally that link doesn't refer to the building name of Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Center, but the Tatsumi Water Polo Centre (temp branding.) The article about the building is Tokyo Tatsumi Internaional Swimming Center, we don't rename articles due to a temporary sports event branding. See 3256:, but we do not yet know whether it will be possible to hold the Olympics in 2021; depending on how successfully the world battles the COVID-19 pandemic over the next several months — a crisis which may eventually result in a catastrophic loss of lives comparable to the two World Wars — the Olympics may have to be rescheduled again to 2022 or later. It would seem unwise to potentially be discussing a second renaming of the event next year. 3567:

proposal acknowledges the "Tokyo 2020" branding, and it's self-evident that those opposing the move are aware that the Games are currently planned to be held in 2021. On that account it would strengthen your points, regardless of your side of the argument, to replace explicit and implicit attacks on other users' common sense or intelligence with a clause or two acknowledging key counterarguments and why you disagree with them.

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International Swimming Center which even has the spelling right there in the photo and on the wall. The only reason re is anywhere is because the IOC always writes it's English in British English. But that doesn't make it the name of the building, just what the IOC is temporarily referring to it as. The building very literally has, in large sign on the side of it, Center. What anyone else calls it is actually irrelevant.

3326:: Is it (year) (event)? In that case, it should be "2021 Summer Olympics", just like it was "2020 Summer Olympics" and not some wording of "that next Summer Olympics in Tokyo" when it was scheduled for then. Is it a more Knowledge article title-sounding version of "Tokyo 2020"? Then it should be "2020 Summer Olympics". Is it about COMMONNAME? Then we shouldn't change it for now, but come back to it in a few months. – 4582: 3179:. Olympics can be either summer or winter, and Summer Olympics have different sports than Winter Olympics. Maybe I wouldn't mind if we kept the title now. But once we know, for sure, that it's taking place in 2021, we must move this page. If we call it the 2020 Summer Olympics if it's really in 2021, that would be factually inaccurate. Also, seasons aren't as well defined as years are — see the 4432: 2947:. Knowledge does not create news; it presents facts in an abundantly cautious way, or should. No one else is calling them the "2021 Olympics" yet. What we do know is that the branding "Tokyo 2020" will be kept despite the year change. Why would we change the name before all the facts are known, and the games themselves haven't announced a name change? That's not what Knowledge is about. 3413: 4433:

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be", "expected to", "plans to", etc. which in many cases do not provide an unambiguous alternative to the simple future tense. Q: Are we happy to keep the lead section as future tense to give the clear message that the Tokyo Olympics WILL go ahead. There has been no indication that they've been cancelled.

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would apply in ignoring that policy as well. If calling a major 2021 event a 2020 event is acceptable by the closer, fine, but giving the closer another option seems reasonable. I'd personally change this title in a second, it's unnatural, incorrect, and has become misleading. Knowledge shouldn't put

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The UEFA Euro 2020 competition was postponed to 2021. That page has not been moved to Euro 2021, instead Euro 2021 redirects to the Euro 2020 page instead. For now, until official logos, branding, marketing, and other relevant Olympic material change to reflect the postponement to 2021, have the page

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The IOC has officially confirmed that the Games will occur in 2021, stating that they will be "rescheduled to a date beyond 2020 but not later than summer 2021", so we know they will take place in 2021 just as much as we knew they would take place in 2020 when they were first announced and thus named

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so London again stood as a candidate for 1948. Great Britain almost handed the 1948 games to the United States due to post-war financial and rationing problems, but King George VI said that this could be the chance to restore Britain from World War II. The official report of the London Olympics shows

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A plea to American editors - Please don't use seasons to denote a time of the year in this global encyclopedia. They are simply wrong for those of us who live in the southern hemisphere, and doubly wrong when you say "Fall", a word hardly used outside the US (and Canada?). I'm still trying to get my

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name will remain "Olympic and Paralympic Games Tokyo 2020" so we should stick with "2020 Summer Olympics" to match the Tokyo 2020 branding and to preserve the original order of events. Also note, the organisers are saying the Games will be held "by the summer of 2021", so if by some miracle they can

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I fail to see how it was CRYSTAL to call it "2020 Summer Olympics" before today, because it was never anticipated that the Olympics would be delayed by a year, and the media had always used the name "WXYZ Summer Olympics" for the Olympics that is scheduled to be held in WXYZ. If some city decides to

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I still think the lead should be in the simple future tense as it gives a positive indication that these Olympics will be going ahead at some point in the future. They have just been postponed, not cancelled. Also phrasing such as "planned to", "scheduled to", "expected to" just sounds plain awkward

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My understanding is that the main issue is the potential for confusion with the 1964 Olympics? Would a potential solution to the naming problem be to simply call this article the "tokyo summer olympics", with a link to the 1964 games article at the top, and some clear clarification in the first few

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Plenty of sources has this but they are all quoting the same thing: A veteran member of the committee talking about the phone call. Will the olympics be postponed? 100% yes. Can we update the article? Not until the IOC makes an official announcement. This has been wikipedia policy for a decade, come

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It seems this comes about because the IOC officially uses British English on their websites regardless of whether or not the host country, or even the buildings themselves, use another spelling. However that doesn't change the actual name of the physical building, just the temp branding the IOC has

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article, which is written in British English, but it's full of facilities whose names contain "Center", e.g. Kennedy Space Center, etc. Personally I think the Tokyo Olympics article would be better in British English, as this is the standard used by the IOC and I'm not aware that Japan specifically

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for now: I would argue that COMMONNAME applies here. Irrespective of the argument of what's technically correct, if the Games are known months or years from now as the 2020 Games, then the move will seem like a poor choice in retrospect. If they become widely known and remembered as the 2021 Games,

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Yes we all can see how odd it might look but, it doesn't matter what makes 'sense' or not here. "Tokyo 2020" might be still retained for branding convenience purposes, and it's nonsensical to change it here when the decision is up to the IOC. Wait and see what they say first, doubtless this will be

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I agree with Mattias321. The naming convention is pretty much based on all previous Olympics Games which were either held on schedule or cancelled altogether. This one is the first to be held in another year. So when the editors decided on the naming convention, it is unlikely that they anticipated

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of the event, so I would support that title. I think since the Olympics are such an important and central event, we may not want to rely on other examples. Also, "2020 Summer Olympics" is not an official title, it's just a generic descriptor of the event along with the year it takes place, which is

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I think the best way forward on this is to examine individual points where "will" may or may not be appropriate and discuss as necessary, rather than making blanket changes/reverts. I've made a start on this and happy to continue. I'm doing a search on "planned to", "would", "scheduled to", "are to

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of the building clearly have Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Center. It's literally just 1 Olympic site, that deals with a temporary renaming to specialize it for the games (which is very common practice) that uses centre. And that's got a huge likelyhood of just being a typo as the photos on

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writes in English centre, but I have been reverted here twice because usually Japanese write American English. No Japanese write Japanese and they usually have no preference about spelling of English. But it is strange to have an Aquatics Centre and then a Waterpolo Center. This is discrepancy and

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It would be stupid to call it the 2020 Summer Olympics when it's in 2021, but that's not our call to make. We just have to go by what is used elsewhere. If "it's a stupid name" alone were grounds for moving an article on a sporting event, then half of college (American) football bowl game articles

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My main concern is that this wording is in the introduction, which is supposed to be the clearest and most essential overview of the topic. The distinction between "cancelled" and "postponed" can be explored in full later in the article. To me, this parenthetical comment is not needed in the intro

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you were bold, you were reverted, then you don't redo the edit but take it to discussion. You've been here long enough to know that. As or the topic at hand, literally the only source for re is the single IOC Tokyo Olympic 2020 site which is the temp branding of Water Polo Centre for the building

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This surprisingly heated discussion has gone on for a while already, please take a moment before contributing an opinion to read how your argument has been addressed already - as it likely has - and if you still feel the same way try to address that in your response. Even the initial article move

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Just chill. We don't need to do anything until it is confirmed. Someone tried to move Euro 2020 and was opposed. Someone moved the Copa America that I feel that they shouldn't have done. Heck maybe we shouldn't have moved the 2001 Ryder Cup to 2002. The point is why the rush. All the alternative

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The Games of 1944 had been allocated to London and so it was that in November 1945, the Chairman of the British Olympic Council, Lord Burghley, went to Stockholm and saw the president of the International Olympic Committee to discuss the question of London being chosen for this great event. As a

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The statement from the IOC and the Tokyo organizers is that the phrase "Tokyo 2020" will still be officially used, not that "2020 Summer Olympics" is the official name (I'm not sure if it even was in the first place). Use of the name "2021 Olympics" is therefore reasonable given the this IS an

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This entire discussion, is STUPID!!! The IOC has already stated they will still be called the 2020 Summer Olympics, no matter when they are held. As for the guy who says XXIII Summer Olympics. The IOC still recognizes 1916 as the VIth Olympiad, & 1940, & 1944 as the XIIth, & XIIIth

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The 22nd?? They're the 29th, after 1896, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1948, 1952, 1956, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016. That's a total of 28 years, not 21; so these are the 29th Summer Olympics, not the 22nd.

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I'm not sure I understand your comment. The games are being held in 2021, therefore they are no longer the "2020" Summer Olympics. Yes, the branding will remain as "Tokyo 2020" which I mentioned in my move request, but that is irrelevant to the move request as the current Knowledge name doesn't

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From the beginning of the "modern" Summer Olympics in 1896 C.E., they have been scheduled for the "wrong" years, as compared with the classical Olympic games in Olympia, Greece. All "modern" Summer Olympics have taken place ony year too early, compared with the ancient Olympiad reckoning. Most

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result, an investigating committee was set up by the British Olympic Council to work out in some detail the possibility of holding the Games. After several meetings they recommended to the council that the Lord Mayor of London should be invited to apply for the allocation of the Games in 1948.

2966:"All dates except the branding 'Tokyo 2020' should use 2021" and "All dates should use 2020" will only cause ambiguity on all dates in the article. I propose using the title "Games of the XXXII Olympiad". To clarify the ambiguity, all "2020" which use as a branding should be put in quotes.-- 1364:

Calling the name ridiculous and opposing a move should not be mutually exclusive. We can and do have articles under ridiculous names because that is how they are referred to in reliable sources. Changing your name to the name of an underwear company that paid you money is ridiculous, but we

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I think I slightly misread your comment. It was written by another editor (Crumpled Fire) not by you. But my general point remains, even the media is still calling it the "2020 Summer Olympics" after the schedule change announcement: "Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympics Officially Postponed Due To

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Additionally the facility/builidng name is very clearly Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Center not Tatsumi Water Polo Centre. Nowhere in any source, including the one you linked above, can I locate anywhere that refers to the building as Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Centre.

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works fine. There is no rule an event must have its expected year in the title. Awards are often named for the year they are honoring and not taking place. This is a different situation but the 4-year cycle is so ingrained in the Olympics that I wouldn't be surprised if 2020 remains.

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emerges, we need to stick with the 2020 Olympics. They've also raised the possibility of holding them in the spring. We don't want to be having a debate every 6 months or so over whether we should change them to the 2022 Spring Olmpics, then 2022 Summer, 2023 Spring, etc. Olympics.

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mentions the difference to ancient Greece which of course didn't use our calendar. The IOC count starts in 1896, not 776 BC. The 2020/2021 games are the games of the XXXII Olympiad where 1896 was the games of the I Olympiad. 1896 + 4 × (XXXII−I) = 1896 + 4 × (32−1) = 2020.

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above). Yes, we have been told by the IOC that the Games will be held "by the summer of 2021", but Thomas Bach said on the BBC News today that there was a possibility they could be arranged for as early as the spring of 2021, so as I already jested in my Oppose vote above:

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Thanks for addressing this issue Gale, but you do realise you will have to do it all again when the inevitable cancellation is announced (which is only a matter of time)!? I will be happy to help you with this when things are settled and we know what's going on... I was

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Adding to Baggins point, the IOC stated in their most recent press conference that the plan is to go ahead with the games in Tokyo and made it clear that they do not have any plans to move or to postpone again (i.e. if they cannot deliver they will cancel the games.)

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for now. Rightly or wrongly, the IOC and all sources are calling it Tokyo 2020. If a time comes when people call it the 2021 Games, then we can revisit this discussion, but for now it's premature. Because we don't, for example, even know it will happen next year.

1823:. To me the name is in reference to the year and wether the event is a summer game or a winter game. The games will be held in 2021. I'm okay with waiting until the new name starts being widely used, however, which is why I'm not strong support at this stage. -- 3291:

for now. Wait at the least for a few months first until it becomes clearer as to whether it will actually happen (the COVID crisis may well go on for a long time) and reflected by the sources (see if the media uses 2021 in the name) before deciding what to do.

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Tag: Manual revert», I think that something HUGE may occur to this page. It is not rebranding. You have reverted more than twice without the ending of any discussion, just showing your pushing for one solution, without respecting the source: YOURS. There is no

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Users very often disagree what is common sense. Closers shouldn't be allowed to basically ignore the whole discussion and just say "I do whatever seems most sensible to me." Knowledge works by consensus. And in this discussion, I think a lot of us who cite

607:– Games have officially been postponed to 2021. While the branding will remain as "Tokyo 2020", Knowledge's current article name does not reflect the branding nor the locale — just "2020 Summer Olympics" — which is now unquestionably incorrect. I propose " 4111:, otherwise the anomoly could cause all sorts of confusion for readers. I can try getting some further clarification from the IOC but I'm guessing it's because it would cost loads to change all the existing marketing materials, merchandise, etc. to say 4204:

I think this has happened because the article is written in American English (per template at top) and "Tokyo Organising Committee" would clash with all other uses of the word "organize". Not sure what the guidance is on this. Same problem happens in

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If possible, please read the above discussion. We already know they are keeping the branding "Tokyo 2020", they've said as much, but Knowledge's article name does not reflect the branding they choose to use, it reflects the and naming convention.—

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it's a bit early but having 2021 makes more sense than saying in the lead "The 2020 Summer Olympics ... will take place in 2021". Whatever the outcome of this discussion the lead needs some more footnotes to explain the 2020/2021 naming confusion.

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Apparently, there is some mixed reaction of the 2021 games taking place. And there is also some opinions claiming that the games won't be held because a vaccine won't be available until Fall 2021. Would it be appropriate to add in that mix of

1937:. We don't know if the games will be held in 2021. They are postponed to that date, but that's a different thing (especially with a matter as unpredictable as this pandemic). If the games are eventually cancelled, do you want to rename it to 306:. If you are not sure, if an Olympics got cancelled, there should be a cancellation announcement, and the similar announcement for postponement. So this is indeed the first Olympics to be postponed as with the criteria you mentioned above.— 440:

This "caution" is pointless and unwarranted. You are making the article clunkier without improving its statements. The future tense is not a "guarantee"! It is not "our assessment" to report future activities consistent with the sources –

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article for all the various definitions of summer. "Tokyo 2020" is just a trademark, and we should go by the factually correct name instead of the "official" name. (Summer and Winter Olympics are differentiated by the sports involved.)

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Recent additions have been made on reported speculation, but hasn't been confirmed by the IOC or by the Japanese Government. I don't think we can confirm that it has been canceled until the press conference of the next IOC meeting on

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I'd just say we need to keep this new subsection succinct and we should avoid adding excessive detail just for the sake of adding it. We don't need to report every little twist and turn of what people are discussing out there – see

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I don't feel strongly enough to be bold and edit it, but I think the parenthetical comment above is, while technically true, misleading and probably not needed in the introduction. True that the 1916, 1940, and 1944 Olympics were

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Logically, olympics (summer in the case, same for winter) are held every 4 years, so a 2021 summer olympics would exist regardless if there was a COVID19 outbreak. Also, agruments above state that the name of the event is kept.

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which was the overwhelming reason to keep 2020 Summer Olympics. None of our articles have names like this. Almost nobody knows which games this refers to. Many people will be unable to even guess it's a Summer Olympics. And an

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Can our old naming conventions really be applied, though? We have never experienced this with huge sporting events like the Oympics or UEFA Euros. Let's at least wait and see what the media generally will call it? As

2531:- I was going to support this at first, but now I think otherwise. Until the branding changes to 2021 and the media say it's 2021 and the internet calls it 2021 (the last one, not really), it should be called 2020. 5207: 991:. The Knowledge naming guideline also follows the same thought process, there is rarely any precedent for such a huge event to be delayed a year, so I don't think previous naming guideline is useful in this case. 2121:

to update "concerns" of postponement to the annoucement (I'm about to). Yes, the naming issue here is important, but let's please focus attention where it's needed rather than just gravitating toward argument.

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Keep the 2020 summer Olympics and create the 2021 summer Olympics, which is used to Redirect the former.In the text, it explains that although the games are called the 2020 summer games, they will be held in

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is referred to throughout the article as the Tokyo Organizing Committee (with US spelling). On both the IOC website and the official Tokyo 2020 website, it's called the Tokyo Organising Committee, so as per

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per the above. No evidence the common name has changed. (2020 Summer Olympics has 94.8 million google hits and 2021 Summer Olympics has 15.7. I could throw a long list of websites but that is unnecessary.

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P.S: The naming of the Games is consistent in all the pages of all other Olympiads: to me is blindly superficial to propose odd and unusual names in the pursuing of undue and unsustainable compromises.

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due to the fact that it is too early to announce a rename without a decent discussion by the organisation first. Other events in the year has not had their pages moved from 2020... to 2021... either.

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The event is officially named/titled "2020 Summer Olympics" despite being held in 2021. The sources pointing to the "2021 Olympics" are most likely just referring to when the event is being held.

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Lol what. How does saying "event that occurs in 2021 will be referred to as the 2021 event" fall under WP:CRYSTAL? I swear that policy has lost all meaning now and is just thrown around randomly.

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I also agree about this new angle. The idea of the Olympics being cancelled this early after being postponed is pure speculation and nothing more. Besides, it's way too early to be speculating.

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Please consult the primary source, not your media outlet! Anyone who has been to college should know that. The Olympic Channel, owned by the IOC, clearly states that the name shall remain 2020.

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The amount of rude and insulting comments I'm getting here is getting ridiculous, and you really shouldn't be calling me uneducated when you can't even be bothered to read before commenting.

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Certainly, it is the most neutral title. But it is not the most commonly used title, it's used mainly for official purposes and otherwise it should be named whatever the media calls it. See

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How do you know that? The organisers have said they want to hold them in 2021 - the same people that for weeks insisted they would go ahead in 2020 without any trouble. I think until a new

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so I added "for marketing and branding purposes" with source. That's essentially the reason why the article title remains "2020 Summer Olympics", as it needs to match the official moniker

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Oh and Japan does officially use US English as their English spelling variant, they're taught American English and officially use American English for all bilingual signage and names.

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for now, per the above. This is premature and we should wait until we know that the media refers to the Olympics as the "2021 Olympics". It doesn't matter that the name isn't accurate

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Several people in this discussion have mentioned mass moves of other articles if this is moved eventually. However, at least some of them may be better off staying put. For instance,

3549:. Seems that the "support" users didn't read IOC press releases. IOC repeatedly stated that the games will be still 2020 Summer Olympic Games, regardless of when they will be held.-- 4653:

branding, just 2 ways of writing centre, and you only like one. That’s it. For me, the discussion is over, until a (kind) third user will participate with a little more open view.--

1347:. The sports are not totally quadrennial. For just one spot, the Winter Olympics were biennial. And now we're in a spot where the Summer Olympics are quinquennial, not quadrennial. 5646:

The modern Olympiads are defined by IOC, not ancient Greece. IOC probably deliberately chose years divisible by four which is easy to remember and calculate. It makes sense to me.

3514:– Probably per reasons above as I have not read through it all, but the Olympics are still being marketed as being for 2020, regardless that it is taking place next year instead. 3143:? The rescheduling has not yet been set in stone and until the IOC have announced the new dates (which might not be for some time), we're not in a position to rename the article. 1165: 251:

Agree. Opens a can of worms, introduces confusion in 1st para, not needed. Will remove it. The lead will have to be reworked fairly soon anyway, once the dust has settled a bit.

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The title of the article needs to match the name used in reliable sources, not the marketing name necessarily. After all, we can all agree the title of the article shouldn't be

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I tried to update all articles about the 2020 Summer Olympics that don't say it was postponed to 2021. I did about 70 of them. Maybe someone else could work on the remainder?

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Given the ever changing situation globally, the Games could be held in the winter or spring of 2021, for all we know. Best to change the title when information is confirmed.

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and not necessarily the best way of wording things. I'm glad you've started a discussion here because you and Reywas92 are in the process of an edit war and getting close to

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reason why this moratorium should be lifted is if the sponsors/officials/countries change their official naming scheme and there is a significant change in observed naming.

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is "proven" in life and hedging and forbidden the simple future does not help the reader who is smart enough to know that "will", written anywhere, is an expectation. See

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to avoid the controversy. But it's still (most likely) going to take place in 2021, so calling it "2021 Summer Olympics" is more accurate than "2020 Summer Olympics".

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but I don't see consensus to rename it to that. So the question is, do we go with what the IOC and the Japanese government have agreed to, or do we use something else?

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I tried it and it worked! That's a great way to do it. That way if it gets postponed again we can just change the template, so much easier. I'll do that from now on.

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Please read the entire thread—the officially "Tokyo 2020" name being retained has already been addressed. Also, shouldn't newer votes go to the bottom of the page?—

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Okay, the naming is screwed no matter which way we look at it. For now, the Games of the XXXII Olympiad may be the most neutral title, and that's what I propose.

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We absolutely can't put any dates in the infobox because no new dates have been announced yet, so we must use TBA for now. Any new dates will need to be sourced.

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1916, 1940, and 1944 were supposed to have Olympics, but they were canceled due to war (WWI for 1916, WWII for 1940 and 1944). Those are the missing 3 Olympics.

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there's something wrong about the fact that thousands of words have been spilled here yet editors have not yet bothered to fully update the lead paragraph of

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That's because the sources are so literal. The statement that they're still called the 2020 Olympics is an example of an important fact about the real world:

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I just saw that. It's true Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis' is pitching for a move to Florida if Tokyo backs out. But that's a great big if.

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Hello Dreigorich! That would be factually correct, but not consistent with the names of any other Olympic Games articles on Knowledge. There is an article

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03:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)) as it would be wrong to call it 2020 Summer Olympics (due to common sense) or 2021 Summer Olympics (due to IOC guidelines).

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Let's wait and see what the IOC says, shall we? If they decide to keep branding it as "Tokyo 2020", the article name obviously should stay the same. //

2356: 1957: 1917: 1846: 4405: 3105:- The Summer Olympics have been postponed to 2021, therefore we should name it the 2021 Summer Olympics. I might actually support renaming it to 3588:, reliable source coverage still uses "2020", and there is no indication yet that either will use "2021". On the basis of the official name, 2291: 2139:. The Olympics have said that the event will still be called the 2020 Olympics. I don't agree with that, but that's what they're calling it. 5335:

Google News reveals that it has been proposed that the Olympics move from Tokyo to Florida (without revealing a city.) Is this rumor true??

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is still the common name for the Games, it just happens that they will now take place in 2021 instead of 2020. The IOC have stated that the

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That they will call it the 2020 Summer Olympics is also crystal, so going with the more accurate name makes the most common sense for now.

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Tokyo 2020 postponed to 2021 announced on 24 March 2020 after a telephone call between the head of the IOC and the Prime minister of Japan

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As mentioned in the introduction: "They will still be publicly marketed as the 2020 Summer Olympics, even with the change in scheduling."

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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is a four-year period which today has multiple Olympic events called games. You have to work hard to find the name at the official site

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take place on XX July or YY August 2020. It's to avoid such a mess that we should be so cautious about the usage of a word like "will".

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At no point in that article are the Games called the 2021 Games. If the official websites still call them the 2020 games, so must we.

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It was announced that it will be branded and marketed as Tokyo 2020, so it looks like it should be historically remembered as that. --

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That page quite clearly has a photo of the facility named Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Center, and the map as well. Plus the

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Fall usually refers to September-October.. but I get your point. Those of us in the U.S. tend to ignore the rest of the world. lol.

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It should be noted that this IP contributor has never contributed to Knowledge other than this talk page, for this move discussion.—

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Sometimes events are named after what they're intended to be rather than what they are. Do you know plenty of events of this kind??

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I read that and must have selectively chosen to ignore it. The human brain is a strange thing. I have no opinion, striking oppose.

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The next 2 will be Los Angeles 2028 and Brisbane 2032. I can't find any recent sources talking about 2036's host city in any way.

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to recognize that fact then that's what could be applied by the closer, which is a rare occurrence indeed and I have no idea why.

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per HiLo48. This article's main title header should be moved only if there is an official renaming by the Olympic Committee. —

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I thought of that. Thanks for offering to help if it has to be updated. I hope it's not postponed again so we won't need to!

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Delayed to no later than Summer 2021; the date is unknown at this point, it could be late 2020 for all we know. Opposing per

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A reference should be part of the template to support whatever the template says at the time, and not come after it like in

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from supporters of '2021': what is ridiculous to me is not to have a quadrennial competition called with a quadrennial name.

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https://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/sportpolitik/die-olympischen-spiele-werden-wegen-der-corona-krise-verschoben-16694140.html

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Not surprisingly, this has been discussed on at least two previous occasions, with the same negative result each time. See

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