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need to win 42000 medals to be equally impressive. That's almost three times the amount of medals ever distributed and there are simply not enough events to achieve that. It's basically discrediting athletes from more populous countries. Also, there are disciplines where the number of athletes per country are restricted to prevent one country dominating a field. There are sports some countries are good at that are overrepresented and others that are underrepresented or not represented at all at the Olympics. --
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I noticed that they disappeared recently. I think they were there to assist for ranking purposes (when a need arose to rank ties by alphabetical order of the NOC code). Now that the rankings are final, I assumed there was no longer a need to list the NOC code. This is what I assumed had happened.
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Why would you not want more information? It would help us to know more easily where most medalwinners per 1 000 000 people or whatever we choose, come from. When i look at the table and see china in 1.place i need to do some calculations in head and think that they have 4 times the population of the
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Since the countries are referred to by IOC Code often throughout the Olympics (signs, graphics, etc.), they are valuable. Sure, you can look up RSA on the IOC Codes page and then look at the medal table for South Africa, but is it worth saving 6 characters in each row and being inconsistent with all
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I think you've misread the map. The legend is in the file description; it says that countries which participated, but didn't win any medals (like Andorra and Iceland) are colored blue. The two squares in the image show the two non-territorial teams (the refugees and the ROC). The refugees didn't win
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There are two maps on this page: "World map showing the medal achievements of each country during the 2020 Summer Olympics" and "The number of the total medals of each team during the 2020 Summer Olympics.". The 2nd does not contain some countries with silver medals, which are colored in first one.
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This "medal per capita" has no value and only serves as clickbait titles in news articles to highlight achievements from smaller countries. The method just assumes that every country has the same amount of athletes percentage-wise participating in every sport. If San Marino wins a medal, China will
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There have been too many vandalism in this article with many trying to change the medal table all the time, adding in their own countries simply adding in medals and much much more. Many of these vandalism came from non wikipedia users. I request the page to be semi-protected at least till a period
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No, it's not. The maps may it look as if Russia was never banned and everything was fine. Russia is not being represented in the Olympic Games. There is a bunch of Russian athletes there, but that's a different thing. As for the sources, what sources are used for these maps anyway? The file pages
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I agree, we'd be opening a can of worms with endless arguments over population, number of sports participated in, number of athletes, China's large population, whether we should do this for past games etc. Let's just acknowledge that San Marino and Bermuda did awesome for such small nations.
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The problem with that information is that their usefulness is totally arbitrary. Of course that is notable the case of San Marino winning TWO medals in opposition to Argentina with only one if we compare their populations, but we could make more comparisons like that, for example, medals per
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None of the sources in this article deal with how to colour the map, none of the sources discuss whether ROC medals should be considered as Russian medals. So the sources in this article are neither de jure nor de facto. As it stands Wikipedias are decideding by themselves either way.
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India's population is also 4X bigger than USA, but they have ZERO (0) golds as of today. The wealth/income of country is a better predictor of gold medals than the population size. Other factors like HDI, sports investment, etc... matter much more than population size.
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competitors, medals per athletes within the country's population, medals per adult people and so on. It would lead to an endless table with dozens of comparisons, which could or could not interest to the readers. That's why it's not commonly done, as stated by SSSB. --
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is not up to date, or maybe there is a mistake, the USA should be highlighted in black as it has 113 (+101) total medals (the only country to be so), but the image shows it dark green as Russia and China. I hope my eyes are not cheating me :D
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Restore the NOC codes as they were removed unilaterally without group consensus. If something major (also inconsistent to previous pages) is to be done, it should be taken to talk page first rather than unilaterally done without consensus.
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USA is definetly the same colour as China, Russia and UK. But it looks like the problem is more widespread than just USA's colour. The whole map needs to be double checked. I would do it myself, but am not 100% sure how to do it.
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They aren't competing as Russians, but are competing for a Russian organisation, and only Russians can compete under this banner, so I find this colouring completely reasonable in the absense of any sources that support your
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There is no need for the IOC codes, they add nothing to the table and unnecessarily increase the table size. No one searches the medal table for an IOC code, people look for a country's name.
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The 3-letter IOC country codes should return to the table. Every other Olympics medal table includes the country codes, all the way back to 1896. This Olympics is no different. --
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How sources colour Russia is not moot, because Knowledge follows secondary sources. Frankly, if there is no place outside of Knowledge where such a map exists, the map is
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don't have any links to external sources, while the sources cited in the article don't have maps, so it's a moot point whether these sources color Russia in or not. —
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You can still edit the page, edits are simply subject to review before being published. As of now, there are no pending edits, so if it isn't up to date, update it.
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Neutral players from non-Russian citizenship participating under the neutral ROC banner, it's not appropriate to attribute this to solely and only Russian wins.
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It's not like the Refugee Team at all. All members of ROC would be competing as Russian if Russia wasn't banned, which does not apply to the refuge team.
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The heat map figure depicting the number of the total medals of each team during the games needs to be updated, as it was last updated July 20, 2021 (
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Why do the maps show Russia as a participating nation when it's banned from the Olympics? The ROC is not a nation and has no territory (just like the
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usa for example but the same amount of medals approximitly. And with San Marino winning their first Olympic medal,it is even more interesting! --
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They aren't even the youngest at these games. Nor the youngest medalists. In any case, I don't understand how that would be relevant here.
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I agree they should return. If it helps, it appears they were removed with revision made by SportsFan 1234 at 5:32, 8 August 2021.
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Medal performance is more directly related to IOC Team Size than population size. Why not do IOC Team Size per capita?
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Getting back to the point, the map currently shows de facto representation, I see no reason to change it to de jure.
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There are several pending revisions stacked up and I'm willing to revert or accept as needed, but what to do with
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is what constitutes original research (where "original research" is a fancy way of saying "personal opinion"). —
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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2020_Summer_Olympics_medal_table&diff=1037698678&oldid=1037697117
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To clarify, not sources that Russia are banned, but sources that show non-Knowledge maps don't colour Russia
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Why is map not showing that India have won a gold, it is showing India in silver Colour. change it please.
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numbers with exactly four digits left of the decimal point may optionally be grouped (either 1,250 or 1250)
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as result this page now 3 medals events and at least 2 hours behind official olympics website as of now.
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Totals are calculated by the template and it shouldn't be changed. This is not a mistake. According to
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I suggest adding the 3-letter country acronyms, like in all the other olympic medal tables (eg.
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Someone has accepted the reinstatement of the codes. They are currently back in the table.
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This sounds right. Per 30-7-2021 08:40 UTC I notice incorrect standings when comparing to
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India has been in gold since 7 Aug. So this looks like some kind of issue on your end.
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https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/04/tokyo-olympics-who-is-the-youngest-olympian-14986442/
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Mark india in yellow. Because india won gold in 2020 Olympic held in Tokyo in 2021
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uploaded the original file. Perhaps we could cajole them into updating it :) --
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De facto - Russia are represented through ROC and should be coloured in gold.
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How does the table get the "totals" for the last row? Currently, it says
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https://firstsportz.com/10-youngest-olympic-medallists-in-summer-olympics/
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Why? I don't see this as being commonly done. So why should we do it?
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De jure - Russia are not represented and should be coloured in red.
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A news item involving this article was featured on Knowledge's
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youngest /oldest ever to be selected for the summer Games?
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Also note that colouring Russia here is consistent with
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The missing countries are Saudi Arabia and Lithuania.
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