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I think that we do not need to add it to an other systems section, which is commonly used for systems that have dissipated and do not have much information around about them. This is a currently active system, that thanks to the JTWC's change in procedures now has prognostics reasoning and a lot more
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Pakistan impacts and also other impacts in Maldives and Sri Lanka in detail, it should be go to the "Elsewhere" section. And records should be kept, but you can remove the "Wankhede section part" and it's up to you whether you will remove the
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There is nothing confusing here. The IMD has been consistent in considering the two systems to be the same, as the satellite bulletins and the older RSMC bulletins around the time Gulab degenerated amply showed. As the IMD has clearly and officially said that
Shaheen is the same cyclone as Gulab in
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I believe that the impacts paragraph should at least be trimmed down to remove material that isn't necessarily descriptive or important to the impacts. An example of unimportant sentences that should be trimmed is the one about
Wankhede Stadium, it's more suited to be part of the main article since
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As a matter of fact, the IMD consistently considered the WML that was the remnant of Gulab to have developed into
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Just because an edit wasn't reverted for violating a policy doesn't mean any other edits similar to that should also not be reverted. I agree that that IP edit should have been removed, and I think the same with this one. It's still a violation of CRYSTAL and OR, regardless of whether or not a
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They are the same storm, and they should be treated as such. However, per the IMD's designation system, the storm will get two sections in this article. Even the IMD has said that they have the same origin. Statistically, both phases of the storm will be treated as a single system (such as on
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Shaheen is forecasted by the IMD and JTWC to strengthen to an equivalent of a severe tropical cyclone or even a very severe cyclonic storm, how will this work? Combining Gulab and Shaheen to one article or still a separate one? Shaheen is forecasted to traverse the Gulf of Oman, a rare
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We always add in unofficial systems regardless of what the IMD says about the system, since we have to maintain a neutral point of view and cover all tropical cyclones. In particular I note that Vamei is included in the 2001 NIO despite never being monitored by the
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1859:, Sorry to revert your edit but there's some things need to stay. For eg :- impact of South India, Maharashtra, Gujarat (specially the Saurashtra region) should stay. Also the elsewhere impact should also stay. I'll try to trim it as short as possible
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Tauktae will form on first week of April. GFS, ECMWF and now IMD predicts that a low pressure will form, although the RSMC stated that there's a low chance of formation within next 72 to 120 hrs. What do you guys think?.
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for general discussion on topics. If you would like to chat about this further, you can do it through other methods such as off-wiki forums. Thank you.
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it's just a specific effect for a small area. Another example is with the sentences about winds and power outages, they could be condensed into just "
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