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Somewhere in this article, some comparison or another should be made to the
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There are many reliable sources for most of the (currently limited) information in this article. Please try to use sources that are widely available, and avoid those that need a subscription. For example fox4kc and kmbc are not available in the UK, and probably not available in the rest of Europe.
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I've noticed that details and first hand accounts & quotes that I've added are being either removed entirely or trimmed down to basically a five word sentence by others. I understand that at times it can help to the page, but it seems to be incredibly simplifying of the situation and not giving
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Can we please make sure to read the latest news when adding injury numbers. Some people have been editing and including the crowd-trample injuries with the gunshot injuries. Can we please make sure to have accurate numbers. Thank You!
438:"(Andrew) McCabe noted that Missouri's gun laws do not require residents to have a state permit or licensing requirement before buying or owning rifles, shotguns or handguns, according to the National Rifle Association of America."
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I took tons of photos before, during, and after the shooting. I'd link the shared google drive where they stored for use, but that's not allowed. What's the easiest way to publish thrm for use if needed?
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