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It helps to clarify what an iPhone is (the device at the core of this event and discussed in the background), but I don't really care if you want it out. I will say I'm curious as to why you'd prefer to have a degraded "free" image when a clear "fair use" image is available and allowable on the page.
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issue related to these articles. This isn't the only instance of this kind of corruption. The Hugo Chavez article (which Jimmy Wales himself can't even seem to fix!) is in a similar situation (relating to a different kind of bias): small handfuls of users can completely dominate a given article,
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for a new electronic gadget, rather than the invoice itself. It appears the only information about the bill is "300 double-sided pages that had to be sent in a box with postage charges of US$ 7." That's notable? The media circus may be notable, but I don't think you can rely on the media to
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complete bollocks of course - the functionality of the device matter not one whit to the core concern of this article - that a back office system at AT&T generates a massive bill. Having said that, hopefully the AFD means we can flush this sorry article down the toilet.
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