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Australia.. You are just doing whataboutism in a crazy way, and then the people that try to correct the article back to an objective form, you accuse them of being racist, and anti-chinese. It's insane. Thanks again to all wikipedia contributors. I'm seldom on here, but to have to deal with these people. Nothing but awe and respect, once more.
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and posts about 448 million social media comments a year." and "we adopt this widely used term to denote social media comments posted at the direction or behest of the regime, as if they were the opinions of ordinary people." This suggests ample evidence of the existence of the 50 cent party and its aims, the primary contention of the article is merely that their strategy has changed.
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Ming, you should do comedy! Your false victimhood and whataboutism routine are hilarious. Just to clarify to people reading this, Ming was vandalising the 'doping in china' page and this one, and I just asked him to stop.. You also accuse people, in the same sentence, of exactly the things that you
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Ming, you should do comedy! Your false victimhood and whataboutism routine are hilarious. Just to clarify to people reading this, Ming was vandalising the 'doping in china' page and this one, and I just asked him to stop.. You also accuse people, in the same sentence, of exactly the things that you
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Digital times, but the seem to be generally considered reliable. If you have any concerns about the site, I would advise posting about it there. Granted, it is only part of 1 of 5 articles so it doesn't really undermine the narrative here even if it were to be
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Wertime) , in every sentence. The 50 cent army existing is not disputed Ming, it is a fact. With many sources from China itself. The fact that you try to muddy all chinese pages like this, is very worrisome. Let's also address Ming himself, let's report this user.
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Ming what are you doing? I aksed you on the doping in china page not to come and vandalise this page as well, and what do you do? You start to vandalise this page, they should ban you. I will also ask protection for this page.
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