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Huh? I thought that if a normal, everyday word was used in the article, it needs to be referenced exactly and specifically in the source? Wasn't that your argument above, when I mentioned the everyday words "record" and "milestone"? Why is it that you can "pick and choose" when your "rule" applies
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source! Who are you — or any other
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It is all part of a process and ignoring part of the process for some categories is incomplete and acting like the categories with pre nominees are like all the others is inaccurate. Even for this article. All parts of the process should be in the artilce. This article just wont have the winners when
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The following line in the story makes no sense: "Head writer Bruce
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is highly and reliably sourced? Honestly? Who is being unreasonable and difficult here? I can probably find a dozen sources in the next 2 minutes that will refer to Streep's accomplishment as a, ummm, "record". It's a plain and simple factually true statement. Streep earned 17 nominations ...
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Number 1 ... call it "statistics", like I suggested multiple times above. (You clearly want to call it "trivia" so that it gets deleted under the "no trivia" rule. And you are being disingenuous about that, which is your ulterior motive.) Number 2 ... a "record" is a value judgment? Huh? What
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So, call it "statistics" ... as the reliable source does. And ... ummm ... as I suggested above. And ... ummm ... as I placed into the article myself. Read the above discussion. Furthermore, most people know what the word "record" means ... and know what the word "milestone" means. They are
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reliable source! Whether it is under the semantic label heading of "milestone" or "statistic" or "record" is hardly the germane point. The germane point is that the factual, reliably sourced information should be included. I have addressed all your concerns below. And you continue to revert
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normal words that require no explanation or citation. And your "nuclear scientist" argument is non-sensical. Claiming to be something that one is not is a matter of fact (versus lie) ... not a matter of the normal everday words / usage / definitions of "nuclear scientist". Thanks. (
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That pages layout is all locked up and impossible to put in the steps. It's just a big chart and the disruption of the chart would be sever. It should be here with the "Pre-nominees" section that was deleted for some reason.
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which is a "record" to the extent that no one else has earned more than her 17 ... ever in the history of the Oscars. Where exactly is the "value judgment" that you claim? Please clarify? Thanks! (
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