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I agree... I worked in an "exclusive golf club" in Surrey, and it also boasted squash courts, tennis courts, swimming pool, fishing etc. etc. not to mention various other activities that were one-offs and occasional things. So, despite being known as merely a golf club, it was very much what could be
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Maybe he means the last paragraph, where it talks about businessmen trying to conceal their conversations and lying and cheating behind the gilded iron gates of a country club? You gotta admit, it smacks of an "I hate corporations" opinion. You present some of that part as fact and it should be
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Thanks for the info. I was not aware of the merge back in 2008. I created the page for Golf club (establishment) as not all golf clubs are country clubs. In fact, the country club term is mainly used in the US and UK, whereas its a very uncommon establishment in the majority of most
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is to be believed, most business golfers either cheat at golf, if they are poor golfers, or play under their ability, if they are good, since it is considered most advantageous to lose to one's superior, but within fewer than 6 strokes.
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