Talk:Kʼómoks - Knowledge

85: 64: 264: 198: 188: 161: 1002:, which is also why the native peoples of BC have come up with "indigenous" spellings of those terms. Kwami persistently refuses to acknowledge all of this, and claims that I am "disruptive" for filing RMS on "thousands" of articles, when it was him who moved them, often only to redirects back to the stand-alone title; worldwide as it turns out. Where was the community consulted about 33: 1289:

but because of the complications of the issues here it's not possible to write anything shorter; unless I engage in glib comebacks like Kwami typically does; I shoot from the mouth too, but from a larger calibre with much larger and many more bullets. I've tried to involve the community; I can't remember if this was on the bulk RM that got closed without consensus, but

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in Canada. I've tried to engage, rather than ignore, the community; and been criticized for even trying and told I'm incompetent, when the person telling me that isn't competent in the topic area himself (indigenous cultures, Canadian English/geography). I feel like Sisyphus, except I'm not the one rolling the rocks back down off hte mountain.

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necessarily inadequate and misleading, and because of the PRIMARYTOPIC of "Comox" in Canada as meaning the town, a disambiguation of the conventional idiom for this group of people is necessary; I myself have worked on this article and also have begun researching it in detail for expansion, and it's clear that it is

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that's why you will hear objections to "this is not Canadian English Knowledge, this is English Knowledge" to mandate that globally-known (if to us out of date and as we understand now often incorrect, some derisive) are at "global titles" vs the names for indigenous peoples which have come to be part of "us";

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you guys (CBW, Skeezix) know that my points are cogent and informed; those that through TLDR would learn something if they tried. The logic in what I say, for those that bother/dare to read it, is on point and addresses the issues here and in countless other RMs open and closed. On the PRIMARYISSUE.~~

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Hi Skookum1. I deleted Comox people and it's tiny history of a few edits to make way for the move. I don't think that was controversial. The move itself back to Comox people brought the long history over with it. Nothing substantial was lost. Anyway, every time it gets moved from one name to another,

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name (your Salishan language page should comment on that, btw, that the K'omoks (as they style themselves, whether you insist their preferences don't matter) have adopted Li'kwala as their community language. What a collective term for all four is in their language is I don't know; what I do know is

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and others before the current batch of town RMs. These precedents are being ignored, our references to Canadian standards and Knowledge guidelines being dismissed or disputed, and needless energy spent on what, if not just our own guidelines but all wikipedia guidelines really were at play, instead

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I'm also going to get dressed down and scolded for writing "walls of text"...("there are none so blind as those who will not see"). Yet these are all points of information re the preceding and related RMs and descriptions of the issues already at play in the previous RM and in many others. I know

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and other places as going directly to their city-names, despite the presence of an indigenous group (formerly) known by that name, and who are the source of that name (though not as Snuneymux, which is modern coinage), and been going through, so far, only all the municipality categories and the main

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I was going to add quite an impressive BC Archives photo showing the old graveyard posts and gate at the Comox Reserve, but was wary of adding something funereal; I'll come back later with the link to the image which if you feel is suitable it can be added to the article; it gives a good idea of the

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having a centralized discussion....and complains that I'm 'disruptive' for posting "thousands" of RMs - on articles that he himself turned into little more than redirects back to themselves or even TWODABS dab pages, even when not imposing old-era names that in many cases are now held in disrespute

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Yes it is confusing, because native issues are confusing to the uninitiated, and I've heard that TLDR line before and being naturally voluble find it grating and see it too often used to ignore important points; that's not a guideline, just an excuse to me; I'm trying to point-form and ramble less,

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What should I do about the various Comox electoral districts? fed/prov older ridings simply named Comox, there's Comox-Alberni, Comox-Atlin and Comox-something else too. Normally I would venture to rewrit this as a disambig page, with the first nations language just a link; should I maybe instead

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on its heels? On the same title? That several other RMs of exactly the same kind have been closed in favour of what you both and I know is the PRIMARYTOPIC (I probably listed them in the Comox RM but have also been adding to the list of single-name places within WPCANADA, wherever it is, and the

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should be the title; there is no native endonym for both main groups together; so "Comox" will have to do; but the singular form is incorrect, though it has been "stable". This kind of case is also why in the days of t he "old consensus" that it was felt that disambiguation by such terms could be

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I've moved it back to the 19:56, 15 May 2013‎ Kmoksy version before the move war began. I don't want to have to move protect this article since it's only Skookum1 and Kwamikagami in disagreement. Please, involve the community in deciding and only move it when consensus has been achieved here. Many

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and my comments below it, and the PRIMARYTOPIC disputes by In ict oculi and Vegaswikian, who both claimed (without really knowing much at all about the place or the people) that the primarytopic is unclear; not in BC it's not, as Skeezix, another Canadian, supported the town as the primary usage.

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on First Nations/Native American articles because some of the only sources are of course those the article is about (see those links and you'll understand what I mean by that). Iv'e been wanting to see an expansion of this article for some time but have been unequipped to do it, i.e. I don't know

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is what's in most common use among linguists/language studies. I gather you may be Komox yourself - is the "Komox" spelling somewhat standard across the Homalco, Sliammon and Klahoose, i.e. do all three gropus use it? Because "Comox people" is not just for the Comox on the Island; although there

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read the things I say, but they use the necessary length (complex issues and intertwined guidelines cannot be discussed in briefer terms suitable for pointillistic, mono-topical/mono-guideline driven points; nor can cases like this be solved without including all three related topics; four if you

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is only for the Island group, not the Mainland group. There are two groups of peoples, quite distinct; the moreso in modern times because the K'omoks, whose very name is in Lik'wala and not in the old Comox-language form (Sahtloot), are now culturally part of another cultural/linguistic group.

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because more than one people (two distinct groups of several, the modern Island group now not speaking the ancient language, having adopted Kwak'wala...).....complicated stuff like all of this, but they're still not the PRIMARYTOPIC of the name as we most commonly use it in Canadian English; so

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To us, Comox is an open-and-shut case like many others out there, old and new; to them such moves are being treated as the enemy, with PRIMARYTOPIC being code for the disputes on correct names for native group/ethnography articles. About that I won't go on, but it was necessary to clarify the

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which relates to this underlying theme - or notion - that in a global sense the still-prevalent older names in Canada; and in several cases like this, including two other open RMs (Bella Bella and Lillooet, maybe there's a third?), the PRIMARYTOPIC dispute is subtextually but never directly as

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I am also hearing at other related RMs that Canadian PRIMARYTOPIC perceptions should not apply over global usage; in direct contradiction of CANSTYLE and CANENGLISH (I argue that lexicon is included that; some claim only punctuation and spelling); I have also been scolded for moving standalone

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about that geographic-name problem, which was also ignored by the usual suspect re St'at'imc/Lillooet, Tsilhqot'in/Chilcotin, Ktunaxa/Kutenai, Dakelh/Carrier, Secwepemc/Shuswap and Nlaka'pamux/Thompson, all of them closed in favour of the native name. note also the primary topic discussion at

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that the IPA-type name given in the lede here is for the Tla'Amin/Sliammon, I'm not sure that the Homalco and Klahoose would use it to refer to themselves. But of course you only care what's in your academic linguists' texts huh? And not what modern reality in Canada is concerning such names.

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This page is on the Komox Tribe, not the town of Comox. Although much of the history of the tribe interwinds with Comox, the Komox nation had a very different lifestyle. Please edit in ONLY what is relevant to the tribe. Oh, and could someone PLEASE change the article name to "Komox People"?

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groups at Campbell River, a few miles farther north, and adopted their language; whether the Island Comox language is even still around seems unlikely; but that particular group of Comox-speakers have now restyled their name and are addressed and written about that way by governments...and

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article; their "First Nation" titled article should ultimately be about th band government/administration and legal history etc; distinct from ethnographic cultureal material on the "people" pages. I hope you see what I mean, it's to help organize materials and avoid ambiguities; the

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As "Comox/Komox" is not the indigenous name for this people, or their language, I see no reason to depart from the most common English form, which is Comox. "K'omoks" and "Komox" "K'omoks", with or without accent marks, is a Kwak'wala word - /q'ómoxws/ - so rendering the name in

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I didn't mean to offend with my TLDR remark. But I meant what I said. From my exprience, the community tends to stay out of things that are too long. As for me, I'm the wrong person to stating the case to. I'm here to help this get resolved without a war. I came here via

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It's pointless to take the ongoing grudge match between me and Kwami to the community; these are naming conventions issues that he and his NCLANG colleagues hold in disdain and never acknowledge, only repeating their own self-authored guideline and even dissing

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which takes its name from the river, which was named for the people), that's why I moved this, also in no small part because the people themselves do not use it. Searches of BC and Cdn government sites I know will demonstrate the adoption of K'omoks into modern

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With due respect, all that content above is too long and confusing. I'm not here to decide what name it should be. I'm involved to stop warring and help you work things out without going around rules, or finding clever ways to have it your way, or tit-for-tat

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quite frankly, about that, the community needs some remedial reading courses so that they are capable of reading information that's more than three sentences long....I speed-read, speed-type etc and am from a time when people communicated in paragraphs, not

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to prepare to move the special-apostrophe K'omoks title back to it. Since when is such a move 'non-controversial" and "routine"? Clearly this whole matter is controversial, and the controversy is across a very large group of articles similarly moved by

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to their proper modern nomenclature. I could throw some of your own old posts back at you, too..... this is just more glib snideness from you, as with "the categories don't matter" (evidence of that is with what happened to the former

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Even though I'm the one who moved it from the geographical complications of "Comox", this usage may only be for the Island Comox and not including the Tla'Amin (Sliammon) or other mainland groups. These people are also listed at

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was the title I had moved it to, but in discussions in the wake of that I have observed that that is only for the Island group, not the Mainland, and separate ethnographic articles for each; and I've proposed it be named

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For reference, that primary topic dispute is - was - a core issue of the RM above, which has failed (and IMO should be relisted alongside these not-unrelated items. As one title in that RM has just been RMd already at

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And the anti-native peoples subtext that underlies opposition to using their names for themselves is not something Knowledge should be known for; as it is we've already lost indigenous editors because of this kind of

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any way he can. This is what this about; I got around him by using the apostrophe in Nisga'a which was not on the original there to restore the native-preferred title (and which seems to have been used to get around

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as being Salishan-language-speakers but the Island group now speaks Li'kwala ("Southern Kwakiutl"); the name itself is from that language, but in the 20th Century survivors of the epidemics grew close to the

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has yet to be written; if you can provide mateirals please do so....and I'm well aware I'm blundering in the dark here; not trying to override, trying to explain article style/structure/separations........

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and other nominations are references to the town in Canada, 95% of the time, and that there are lots of articles with the same archaic-indigenous name situation, some of which were already done long ago

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scholars/academics.... since such names became current in BC English. Note that I didn't move it to the diacriticalized form, but only to a "stripped' romanization as also with St'at'imc and Sto:lo.

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Back to the matter at hand. My view remains that it should stay how it is unless there is consensus to change it. You may well be right, and it's up to you to convince the community. Simple as that.

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as this article should be about the Comox people (who still exist in the present & still speak the Comox language). dont worry, i will be writing something soon (about their language). peace —

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for Komox words. Can you point to an online source/website somewhere that uses the "Komox people" constructino; HB myself I prefer to see a native-style spelling on the ethnographic articles vs

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and my opinion on all this has changed substantially, especially since the RMs of last year where you tried to impose obsolete and archaic names on articles that have now been reverted

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context and underlying meaning of the PRIMARYTOPIC disputes on what we know are common usage; other-RM issues re the native names (and their languages) are also at play. Once these

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The recent moves of this article need to cease. If a move is desired it should be done thought WP:RM as it would not be uncontroversial. I take this to mean it should be located at

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That has not been decided to be the case at over half a dozen parallel RMs to this one, under exactly the same circumstances; if the town is the primarytopic, as you observe, then

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is the primary topic but that I recognize that maybe there is just enough ambiguity that readers would benefit from a bit of natural disambiguation. All seems to fit well with

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unincorporated settlements of BC category; the plan was to move onto Alberta and across the country; you can see where me enacting this in BC has gotten me/us/wikipedia huh?

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even though it's no longer a redirect, might I suggest you add a second, fresh RM on the town as well; or take it to MoveReview for relisting as it's not a week old yet.

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if you want). Try to involve the community. Don't move it before it's really settled. And more than anything, keep it concise or the community will TLDR it. Best wishes,

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and its sister RMs re on the Yaquina, Yupik and Cayuga were an attempt to engage the community,but got shot down for being too many at once; now Kwami criticizes me for

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all moved appropriately and correctly, we really need to salt them or enshrine them in a subpage of CANSTYLE for lexicon re toponyms, indigenous terminology, and more.

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the material and don't have the resources. Your input is more than welcome.....what gave you the idea there was any confusion between this and the town article? The

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Submit and RM if you feel you can make a case. It's what should have done in the first place given such a move would never fit in the column of uncontroversial.--

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Anna, when you moved this back to where Kwami wants it to be, you cited "G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup: make way for move" in deleting

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please say so; ethnographically i.e. in academic literature, they're Mainland Comox; I'm not saying this is right, just partly explaining why I had to rewrite

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The nature of Canadian PRIMARYTOPIC vs global PRIMARYTOPIC is the central element here in all cases of these interconnected disputes. You and I know that

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has not been relisted as part of this RM, it's clearly on the table, so per the Comox title here are viewer stats results for all four titles involved:

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I like to keep things simple, so here's my suggestion: Keep it at Comox people because that was how it was before this started. Discuss it here (or at

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of PRIMARYTOPIC disputes with nationals of the country the places are in as to what normal, common usage should be in Knowledge. Apparently not ours.

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single-name dab pages to vacant "(disambiguation)" titles without discussion in re what are PRIMARYTOPIC disputes, they claim: I took the mandate of

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people; I suggest here that the formal latinization now in place - komox with accents and I think a plosive mark on the x (?), be used for the

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Okay, so I'm clear Skookum1 wants K'omoks and Kwamikagami wants Comox. Is there anyone else reading all of this that cares one way or another?

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there are no sources for the "authentic indigenous spelling" I've seen K'omoks with accent-marks too, so once we take the step away from the

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Splendid. I was worried about my reversion to the last stable version. Now, I think I can walk away from this happily. Thank you kindly. :)

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it's controversial. That's why I moved it back to the name used before all this controversy began. I think that was the right thing to do.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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is the usage for all the Mainland Comox groups they can exist as separate titles as there is no name that I'm aware of for both groups

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Needs culture/history and linguistics input; currently "shared" with Comox people article; needs separate language article (Ko'mox).

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yet; band articles already exists; the Klahoose stub was created because of the detailed information available on German Knowledge.

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a result of trying to avoid confusion with the towns/regions named for them (directly or indirectly, the latter in the case of the

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article with the Halkomelem name for the Nooksack, instead of their own. This is an English encyclopedia, not a Kwak'wala one....

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spellings, but they are a fact of life in Canada now, if not on the academic bookshelves in other countries. And this is really

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and closed as "no consensus" only 7 days before this discussion opened. A failed proposal should not be resurrected so soon. --

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the course of action here seems clear. I'm curious to see who is going to try and muddy these very clear waters....and how.

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The other issue related to all this is the "shadow primary topic" spoken of by opponents of the proposal in that RM, re

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No I think this approach works just fine by me. It's a request well defended by statistics. I'm not looking to move

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about one people; it's about at least four (if you read the K'omoks' own website, it's actually more like 7 or 8).

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I will be condemned by others for speaking at length; others for what I am saying, indicating that my opponents

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is an issue. I hsould also point out that if the article is to bertitled with the native spelling, matching

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which would be the band government article, if there is a Comox First Nation band government that is (there

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but other RMs demonstrate this is clearly not the case, as also with the terms of that section of MOS.

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until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

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until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

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as invalid because it hasn't passed an RfC, even though it nearly verbatim was lifted directly from

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and other related categories. As you can se in sections above, in the past I was opposed to such

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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as an action taken after discussions on CANTALK and reading that guideline in detail, and noted

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already exist; if the use of "Mainland Comox" is a "mistake' for them, maybe made the same way

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AFAIK there can't be two RMs on the same page at the same time; and you just started one, no?

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want to throw in the base, which due to military populations may be the most well-known use.

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IN ENGLISH (not in the Komox language, please note), then decisions have to be made about

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Self-identification is clearly the norm with Canadian indigenous articles and is also in

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I'm sorry. I must be missing something obvious, as usual :), I see he wanted otherwise

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I'm in agreement with Skookm1's statement above, that it should remain at "Comox". —

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Comox art-style (I think). And if you want ot see some well-made ethno articles, see

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Some unique places luckily had vacant moves that I could do; I won't go on about the

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which is a precedent and which endorses moves such as the one here; though because

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meaning the native people, rather than anything else on the disambiguation page.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a

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and should be, if it remains at "Comox", "peoples". And as noted K'omoks may

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the overarching consideration is "most common usage", although "authenticity"

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Either CANSTYLE and our own standards apply, or they might as well not exist.

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both redirect here, and shouldn't; there should be a separate langauge page.

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peoples, not one, and if it remains at the anglicization it should become

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of that topic. However, there is no consensus to move

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That proposal was recently considered at 1399:Talk:Comox, British Columbia#Requested move 843:until a requested move chooses otherwise.-- 2073: 1053:category, now unwisely and confusingly at 961:Category:First Nations in British Columbia 480:, provincial electoral district since 1991 459:Comox is also part of the name of various 308:, which has its own spelling conventions ( 155: 58: 2231:was viewed 2,412 times this month (March) 2020:moving Comox, British Columbia to Comox. 474:, provincial electoral district 1871-1986 405:- the environs of Comox and neighbouring 2476:Mid-importance British Columbia articles 1102:above. So, who wants Komox or K’omoks? 722:has become mistakenly standard for the 665:and other places in the wiki-guidebook. 157: 60: 30: 2466:Mid-importance Canada-related articles 2262:and what's at that title currently to 498:, federal electoral district 1976-1987 486:, federal electoral district 1903-1914 1795:the secondary move request here is a 1600:. 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