Talk:Comparison of IRC clients/Archive 1

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need to restrict this to "notable" software, (in WP's sense), if we did we would needlessly restrict the comprehensiveness and usefulness of this article. Notability does not mean the same thing as "widely used" or important: it just refers to the extent and type of coverage. A client can be notable without being used, current, or of value to the vast majority of readers, while a client that is important, widely used, and of value may not meet our notability requirements for a stand-alone article. I think a further restriction beyond "any stand alone verifiable client" is certainly needed, but restricting it to "only notable clients" will damage the article to the point where it will be of little value. -

2651:" (we have no article on this, but a google search finds plenty). I'm not sure what exactly you're worried about with "any trivial collection of reliably-sourced data could be assembled". Clearly only IRC clients need apply here. I suppose you're worried about the comparison criteria, which seems to be the issue in the Star Trek vs Star Wars AfD. I agree that those topics (normally the columns in this article) need to be reliably sourced valid comparison criteria. An example of I found to be a bad criteria is 31: 671:) : "We aren't interested in implementing it ourselves, but if someone submits a reasonable patch, we will likely accept it. " then it seems that the Pidgin will not have DCC RESUME for a long time, since it is a old request from a feature and developers do not seem interested in implementing it. It is good to create the table now, when other people see the "?" they will help with more information. 2252:

only criteria for a list is that it must contain famous things. It's a sufficient, but not a necessary, condition. As mentioned elsewhere, Knowledge (XXG) practice has been specifically to allow lists of non-notable topics, as a decent thing to do with content once the article has been deleted - it may not be notable enough to stand on its own, but it is reasonable to group them into a list. -

2371:, every entry in the table has a seperate article. Useful inclusion criteria could only be something in between "every existing verifyable IRC client" and "only IRC clients with a seperate article", IMHO. Therefore I don't see the need to limit the article any further. I'd still disagree with "only clients with an article", because there's on ongoing effort to delete those articles: 3045: 2384:. Those would be deleted from the table if we agreed on "seperate article" as inclusion criteria, just because the article was deleted and I won't agree with that. There's no policy limiting the content of this list type article to clients with their own article (the wikilink could just be removed instead of the whole line). FWIW, JBsupreme and Miami33139 both think 3800:, "comparison of X in table format" is still a list article. And it doesn't make sense to compare non-notable products to notable ones, when from the start we were only supposed to cover the non-notable ones (again, we can make exceptions for products that are relevant for comparison, but they still need a source to show the relevancy). 1082: 3748:

to the majority of the people who will be reading articles on Knowledge (XXG). All that said, it would not be proper to use a software program's own documentation where it might hypothetically claim "this program is better than program x due to y" in order to show that "program x is better than y" as

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Further to the above: I've seen no evidence of a policy that restricts the content of lists to only notable entries, except for people, so whether or not this list is thus restricted is a decision for this talk, not something which relies on policy. While I've yet to see a convincing argument that we

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Perhaps its not your intention but you're coming across as someone desperately searching for a personal attack to be made against you or someone else instead of actually contributing to this discussion by trying to put words in my mouth. This is the second time you've done this and you're dangerously

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It seems like there is more to DCC than I thought, enough to warrant its own table, perahps. These things could be covered as dcc subtypes: Normal, Resume, Passive, DCCServer, RDC, Reverse?, Secure. And for each of these there might be send, get, chat, fserve, whiteboard, it seems. I am not qualified

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If there had been a mirc script capable of adding utf-8-support, then I agree that that should be listed as something else than "No", but the script mentioned only translates between the tiny charset mirc is set to use and utf-8. That is, it only supports a small subset of unicode at a time, and will

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I don't have a problem with this as a general principle. The only problem is it is going to keep in software that hasn't been updated for 10 years, and got a mention or three when it was new, while denying good software that was released more recently when there's less discussion about IRC, and thus

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First, whatever this list may be, it is not a "list or repositories of loosely associated topics", so the whole section doesn't apply. Second, if it did apply, NOT#DIR says we can add items which are famous for being connected to a given topic, it's true, but not that fame = notability, nor that the

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Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as (but not limited to) quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional). If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project Wikiquote. Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous

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I'm hard pressed to see how having a intrinsically neutral list of IRC clients and basic information about the specifications can be seen as advertising. Perhaps there's a case for having extra criteria, but I'm not convinced that notability is the criteria we need, as that limits this list too much

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Yes, I disagree here. The value of an article such as this comes from it's ability to draw comparisons between different products. The more you limit the ability to draw those comparisons, the less useful it becomes. Given that there is no reason to limit this to notable software, limiting it on any

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per Tothwolf: it is quiet common to have a seperate list to the comparison. biggest internet related example may be the comparison of web browser: in this comparison aren't integrated all browsers that are on the list. (often because it is only a new shell based on the same engine, the browsers are

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You're right. You probably wouldn't find any IRC client that is famous, hence why the lower threshold of at least notability is acceptable. Beyond that you are giving attention to things which haven't earned any attention themselves. It is not wikipedia's place to create that attention. Even though

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says it would be with this notice on it) - it has clear content and this talkpage is filled with concerns about validity of product comparisons, which the PD reason claims does not exist on the page. So I'm honestly lost what whoever argued this article should be deleted thinks is missing from this

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and stand-alone lists will be quite obvious. In all fairness, we did use to have quite a few "list of" stand-alone lists which were named "comparison of". The majority of those have long since been renamed "list of". In addition, we have numerous "list of" stand-alone lists which include red-links

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Enric, I also do not see where you've ever contributed to this article or the talk page discussion until today. You claim in your edit summary that there was consensus for your removal of material here, yet you don't seem to have ever contributed to this article or interacted with those who've put

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Is DCCserver and passive dcc really seperate things? mIRC seems to use what it calls DCCserver to do passive transfers. The ftp-like file sharing server mode is called fserver there, but perhaps it is called DCCserver other places? It would be nice if someone could clarify, perhaps making articles

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Which still sounds indiscriminate as only the first two are inclusion critera. The last three are simple sorting. The inclusion criteria is proof of existence and someone spending five minutes to fill in the chart. Bullet 2 is just a burden, but apparently anyone who documents their feature set -

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convince the other editors in the page that a certain client is worth including even if there are no sources, I suggest that your efforts aren't going to give much fruit until you can findd a compelling argument for including KVIrc.... (WP:REFUND? wow, it's been there since April 2009, and I had

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Toth, I invoked OTHERSTUFF because you can always find articles in bad state, and use them as examples. What if all those articles violate WP:LSC, and most of those red-links in those articles should be removed? Do we need to change the article that complies with WP:LSC, to fit the articles that

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Right, but the non-redlinked entry should have a third-party independent source, showing that it's notable for this topic, or relevant enough, or worth including for some completion purposes (like, for example, listing the first client for system X even if it doesn't have an article, because it

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I don't think there is any consensus to have comparison articles, in fact a search of Knowledge (XXG) shows a lot of dissatisfaction with comparison articles as being OR. Certainly there seems a consensus that any comparisons drawn in any article need to be sourced to a reliable source actually

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Since we can all agree (I hope) that this is not an indiscriminate list, I will be removing items from this list that are not supported by reliable third party sources. I am being careful not to describe these as "notable" in any sense of the word, Knowledge (XXG) or otherwise, but strictly an

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Many people come here to check the version and release dates of various clients. It actually does play a role in the comparison, although I think the sortable tables in the operating system and features sections may also be fairly popular. Could you elaborate as to how it might not be useful to

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attention to everything. It is given attention to things based on how reliable sources have covered it, and projects which aren't notable haven't been covered in reliable sources. These are even less than trivial viewpoints. So if you'd like to talk about neutrality, they have no place here.--

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I think we're confusing redlinks - as in links that don't go anywhere - with mentioning software that doesn't have an article. The latter is a problem, so we should remove the link, but we don't necessarily need to remove mention of the software in the list. That's an issue for the article's

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would be a justification for a 2010 WP list that compared those two and added a half a dozen newer programs backed up by other reliable sources). Just restricting it to anything reliably sourced means that there is no guidance as to what sorts of topics are appropriate for lists; any trivial

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Because it included links to the sites. That makes it a directory and promotional. It isn't neutral if you're putting some random irc client that someone just whipped up in their spare time that no one has heard about on the same footing as notable projects. Neutrality is not giving the same

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There is one critical section missing in a comparison table - we don't show whether a client supports authorization using MD5 password hashing vs. old unsecure plain text authorization. With the advent of sniffers and trojans - it's a very important issue of security and privacy. // Artem S.

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I wasn't involved in any prior discussion so let's get that clear, so don't make it appear that I want against a consensus that I was aware of. Are you clear about that? Aren't you the guy who emailed me pleading not to remove the stuff because it would help you get another editor banned?

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explicit on this issue. No one other than yourself (or the three individuals previously mentioned who engaged in harassment and wikistalking behaviours) argued the deletion angle and per the above discussions, there was not consensus for your removal of "KVIrc" from the comparison tables.

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Right now I guess I feel as if this list is broken beyond repair (hence the current deletion discussion) but if we were to instill some sort of discriminate criteria then I could be swayed to believe otherwise. I don't see how or why restricting this list to products with articles is

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because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic (for example, Nixon's Enemies List). Knowledge (XXG) also includes reference tables and tabular information for quick reference. Merged groups of small articles based on a core topic are certainly permitted.

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This is a list of clients that are missing from the comparison tables, there are more not in this list that could also be added but these either already have articles or are on the WikiProject's todo list and won't be red linked after the large merge and redirect project is finished.

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I'd argue against removal just because debian have removed the code in their package. The original source code as provided on the Xchat website includes it, if debian have essentially forked it and removed it, that's their prerogative but is not the intention of the original authors.

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guideline was intended (and I personally happen to agree with). With a "list of" article it would make no sense whatsoever to create a list of nothing more than red linked entries without articles, especially if it is unlikely that those red links would ever link to articles. For a

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Thanks for disputing this claim. I actually took a little more time to look for it and it seems i made a grave misjudgement. XDCC does not equal to passive dcc/dccserver - so actual facts often are more accurate than elaborate thought process. GroundedZero 12:58, 8 December 2005

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readers? Currently the date fields are far from complete (due to a lack of time more than anything else) and we still need to apply templates to those dates to make those fields sortable within that table. Currently this article currently gets around 450-500 hits per day

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this criteria seems a bit arbitrary. is it backed by policy? what ever happened to reliable sources or notability? i support the removal of non notable clients i.e. if there isn't an article about it, or significant RS coverage, then it should be removed from the list.

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software as it hasn't been covered in a book and about the only mention of it that you will find today is the original documentation and source code for the early IRCd software itself. The thing you might not realise due to your unfamiliarity with this topic is that

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was largely blanked by someone who was being disruptive. I've not yet pulled a clean version from the history and re-integrated edits since, but blanking more sections is counterproductive. Right now the larger issue of the individual involved is being examined by

3637:"Stand-alone lists and "lists of links" are articles that primarily consist of a list or a group of lists, linking to articles or lists in a particular subject area, such as a timeline of events or people and places. The titles of these articles usually begin with 2227:

it doesn't say "if some entries are famous" it says if the entries are famous. Its a perfectly reasonable interpretation. If you have a list without famous entries, you're violating the policy which is what is going on here. The requirement is that the entries are

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A very limited way! mIRC does not encode server messages at all, so away, quit messages etc. goes in windows encoding. For queries you can't make encoding for some network, preferences are global for one nick on every network or for all queries on all networks.

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The information here should probably be reflected on the individual pages for the irc clients. Perhaps a template for irc clients, with fields corresponding to the table sections here, would help organize that? Right now they use a general software template.

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also states "It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply", and "preferable" isn't policy. There're a lot of "Comparison of" articles on wikipedia

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I hate how all these pages are called "comparison of X," even though they're not necessarily comparisons. They're tables of product features; they need not be used to compare anything at all. It could just be used to reference a single product's features.

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for an example where this isn't the case. Non-notable entries are always removed. The only way we have to measure fame on wikipedia is through notability. Anything that would indicate a client is famous would also indicate it is notable and qualify for an

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I suppose that a reasonable criterion would be that it run under a current out-of-box version of the OS. ("Current" is necessary, since, for example, apps requiring .NET won't run on Win2k out-of-box. They would fail this criterion, two years

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a list or repository of loosely associated topics, so the exception that entries can be included if they are famous for that association simply doesn't apply here. None of the seven "nots" under NOT#DIR are really applicable, to be honest. -

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Actually, no. It says, as you quoted, "there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous" - it does not say "entries can only be included if they are famous ..." That's a rather odd interpretation you seem to be making. -

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OK, I prepared the table by spilting up the table and this one row; tomorrow i will expand with the extra features you described. Hope you will give me(us) more information for filling in the data. ps: don't forget to sign (4 times a ~ )

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Would it make sense to change the name of the ircII scripting language to it's official name (if one exists), or mIRC's Scripting language to 'Own Language' with a link to the mIRC Scripting page, to maintain consistency between the two?

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I don't believe the issue is usability; that's POV. X-Chat does come with both a GUI and CLI, therefore it seems reasonable to have both listed in the table. As for Irssi, I know very little about it, so I cannot comment about its entry.

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Multi-IM type clients that support other instant messaging protocols should go into the comparison article that covers Instant Messaging clients. This is for article size and maintenance reasons since many IM clients now offer basic IRC

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documentation shipped with the software or on its website, an outdated book published years earlier, or a third party website which "reviewed" a software program say 3 years prior. It should be obvious in this case that the software's

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in these three contribution histories). Based solely on their contribution histories, these three individuals clearly much prefer to attack others (not just myself) and bulk remove content instead of improving Knowledge (XXG). cf.

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not let you write, for example, Russian and Japanese at the same time. This isn't unicode-support, but I guess it might still deservee a footnote, since it atleast lets you participate in a limited manner in a utf-8-based channel.

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Naw, I can't agree with this, you could add any old shit if you simply went off SPS such as documentation. I still think we stick to the broad idea that if nobody else is writing (independently) about something, then why are we?

3554:(edit conflict! woooho!) How about adding annotations and references for every feature/option for every client? I know this needs really much work and some clients have a bad documentation, but after a time this could be working. 1887:

The entry has to be more than just a name and link. It takes a good bit of time to research and fill out details so this raises the bar and tends to discourage drive-by additions of someone's no-name home-brew Visual Basic based

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or very effective in trying to reason with you. You know, it really is a shame too as this particular article was extremely low drama before the disruption and wikistalking/AfDs by one of the parties previously mentioned began.

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is in the software world. Few scholarly sources will cover software. Online sources, including personal blogs, have taken over some of the print magazine market (which is hard to search anyhow). Does anyone want to help create

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be changed to something other than light purple? There isn't enough contrast between gray (the default background color) and light purple; it is very hard to see the difference on some monitors & in some light situations.

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With the correct settings mIRC can both encode and decode UTF-8. But if any character that is not a valid UTF-8 sequence enters the line (in the timestamp or nick for example) the whole line is rendered with native encoding. —

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I'd recommend to also include the "interface" with the clients. Since there are some CLI clients and some GUI (which is enough for Windows users but sometimes has to be split into Qt, GTK, ...) Maybe something like this:

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are hard and fast rules and trying to apply them as such (particularly when trying to apply them to something which they were not intended for) is both disruptive and damaging to Knowledge (XXG). The very beginning of

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Once the product has been included via independent sources, its features can be sourced from the product's website (secondary sources are better, of course, and they could be used to source some notable comparison).

4667:...and here are some links for anyone who actually gives a shit (compare the names therein with some of the individuals who were pushing for large scale removals from this article in several of the above sections): 2451:-- As of right now this article is unbalanced (and something to the tune of almost 100KB) because there is no criteria limiting what can or cannot be added. Listing only the clients which are notable as defined by 2285:

Sorry, but no - obviously, Lists of episodes and characters are both lists, and common. And fame is a really bad measure - notability simply doesn't relate to fame. With respect, I'd be hard pressed to believe that

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of the discussions, not that you participated in them. I emailed you on Friday, August 20th, 2010, which according to the timestamps, was after your first 6 edits removing content from 11:39-11:52 UTC and you then

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Yes, it does seem to have been discussed many times. But I agree, in that we don't need red links, especially for subjects that are unlikely to be notable enough for articles in the foreseeable future. Of course,

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There is a reason. Because wikipedia isn't a discriminate list, it isn't for promotion, and it isn't for advertisements. Which is what these become. Drive bys for people to advertise their new non-notable project

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I've cleaned up the first one as an example (but ran into a table problem there is a double line on the end, maybe someone can fix that).But there is a mass amount of charts here that seems overly extensive to be

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Completely disagree. You're giving the same attention to something which is trivially mentioned vs something which qualifies for an article on wikipedia and putting them on equal footing. This is a violation of

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Change title of article to "Comparison of notable Internet Relay Chat clients"? :) This article is a mess and will remain a mess once all the clients which the elite deem to be non-notable have been removed.

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clear, I never emailed you about getting another editor banned. I did email you and asked you not to blank the article further and gave you a link to the ArbCom matter. In fact, here is the exact email I sent

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Clients for mobile / handheld devices go into their own comparison article. This is also for article size reasons and because mobile devices have completely different operating system requirements than normal

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is less likely to be compared. However, as some criteria beyond "it's a client" is required, it is probably worth taking this path rather than having no criteria or, alternatively, an overly strict option. -

4096:. We are not serving the reader by indiscriminately listing lots of non-notable stuff. If those policies are outdated then go to their talk pages and ask that they are updated to reflect current practice. -- 2624:

with the exception of lists of people. I would propose that such lists require an RS that either compares a good portion of the proposed items (i.e. a comparison of 10 word processing programs from 2008 in

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latest sourcecode of BitchX (ircii-pana-1.1-final.tar.gz) and EPIC (epic4-2.6 and epic5-0.3.4) and there was no mention about UTF-8 or Unicode. So, why on earth this article claims they have UTF-8 support?

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I will leave this thread open for a few more weeks. I feel that the "speedy keep" closure was inappropriate in this case and will renominate it if no argument can be made that this list is discriminate.

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Generally the critieria I see on these kinds of list insist on notable IRC clients. Which means any thing that is a red link or no link be removed. All of the URLs at the end make it seem promotional in

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Glad to see it has been updated. I've been slowing adding material as I find it while updating other articles but it needed much more work. Do you happen to know how complete these tables are presently?

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Sure it's pov, but I'd agree with above post that it is helpful to weight this in the feature comparison table. You wouldn't add an entry for telnet with Text UI: yes just because it can connect to IRC.

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should be added though. While working on both of these, I found quite a number of books which give coverage to some other web and browser-based clients which we don't yet cover on Knowledge (XXG). --

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find the inclusion of specific material helpful to them while making use of Knowledge (XXG), then it should be included. If the material would not be helpful to a reader, then it should be excluded.

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which are absolutely not "list of" stand-alone lists. Furthermore, it is extremely common for us to have entries in "comparison of" articles which are either red-links or non-links. Take for example

2752:. Simply put, it is not wikipedia's place to promote subjects which haven't first received the coverage in reliable sources and a trivial mention in a massive open source round-up isn't sufficient.-- 3602:

No, there has never been any consensus on the issue of "red links" or "non-links" in "comparison of" articles, as previously shown above, and I ask that you self-revert your removal of that entry.

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Regarding BX: it seems to me that i ran it under Win98 several years ago, without Cygwin. (It stunk very badly, but i was told that it was significantly different from its unixoid counterpart.) —

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This is too wide. Personally, I would start by removing any products that that is not notable to have its own article. Skomorokh's proposal can be used to limit further the amount of products. --

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One of the lines regarding "Klient" no longer servicing keys was incorrect. As recently I myself just purchased a key, while the wait was somewhat long, key's and replacement keys are still sent.

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is an example of a long dispute which looks as though it is going to result in a retitling of the article to make it clear it is about 'comparison studies', ie sources that make the comparison.

3393:. Having endless lists of mostly red links is messy, and an inconvenience for the reader, the primary purpose behind writing this encyclopedia. Entries that are not notable do not belong here. 2526:

instead of notable—in the plain English sense of the word—software is counter-productive. The purpose of a page like this is to be more comprehensive about this kind of software, but still not

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which include tables of information or which are named "comparison of", "timeline of", etc are without exception "stand-alone lists", which is clearly not the case and directly conflicts with

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here from stub articles which were in turn redirected here. Removing those entries made no sense and when time permits, I will restore those entries and the sources which were also removed. --

3297:. That indicates there's consensus to use those names. The format chosen for software comparison is mostly a set of tables because it fits best, that doesn't necessarily make it a list, IMHO ( 2491:

As mentioned above, (it seems we've moved away from the central point), sorry, but no, fame is not a requirement for inclusion in a list. You're applying the wrong aspect of NOT#DIR - this is

3221:(except for those called List* of course). If you suggest renaming them all, please do so or request it somewhere. Don't do it one by one, it's difficult to establish consensus this way. -- 2010:

I agree that red linked items should be removed, especially if they once linked to articles which have been deleted as a result of an AFD discussion. Does anyone disagree? If so, why?

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so within this category of articles, it is one of the more popular, which is why we've primarily focused on it and the other meta-articles before taking on some of the smaller ones. --

458:. This article was recently deleted via AfD, and it does have some resemblance to the present article. In general, the more analysis an article contains, the safer it is (apparently). 2603: 4118: 2600: 2597: 3010: 163:

Could someone confirm that ScrollZ has support for all DCC Specs we evaluate here? I can't believe that a client based on ircII (which has 'No' support) gets a double Yes here.

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IRC client is famous. And if you made a case that one was, it would be very much an exception, and based on more than significant coverage in a couple of secondary sources. -

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It's just a proposal, aaand the table in the article itself has quite some width. I don't want to tinker about with that for now, rather than this proposal to be discussed :)

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Now, as far as sources go, I happen to agree with Bilby in that we need sources. We used to have sources here and they still need to be restored. That said, it is generally

2538:: "exception is for list articles that are created explicitly because the listed items do not warrant independent articles". I propose the following criteria, in line with 2194:. Entries on lists or comparison articles are required to be "famous" which in wikipedia terms means notable. If they don't have an article they don't belong on the list.-- 3923: 1864:

I feel that this list is arguably indiscriminate, beyond being an IRC client. What criteria must an IRC client meet in order to be included in this list? I am curious.

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As of v6.17, mIRC now supports UTF-8 in a limited way. It decodes all (as far as i've seen), and encodes some (having the curious behavior of leaving some characters as

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If (as is often the case), the list has multiple columns and so is in table form, the name or title List of _ _ is still preferable to Table of _ _ or Comparison of _ _.

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The client has to exist. We have to be able to verify that the client actually exists and isn't a made-up hoax entry. This is standard practice for comparison articles.

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IRC client ever written (the first of course being the bare bones 'irc' command/client which shipped with the original ircd software up to around version 2.6 or 2.7).

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To help show just how much the cleanup, verification and expansion efforts of those of us who were working on this article (starting back before about June-July 2009

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If (as is often the case), the list has multiple columns and so is in table form, the name or title List of Xs is still preferable to Table of Xs or Comparison of Xs

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in a table format without actually including comparable elements (features, functionality, etc) then it is a "list" and not a "comparison". If the article includes

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this has been made into a comparison, it is still a list. There is a page that addresses that and per naming conventions it should still be called "list of..." per

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Unfortunately I need to go out shortly. Anyone can jump in and carry on with the other tables. There are several there. How about everyone picks one and does it?--

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whereas, of course, "Windows" is an addition which may include others. It's just for reasons of understanding - Windows users may be confused by specific terms.

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isn't thru the plugin itself, but by using the 'copy dll-hack' as it's called in the Miranda article, for completeness. I hope a Wiki experienced will add that.

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Enric, if you won't self-revert your removal of KVIrc from the tables, then perhaps we do need to take your actions to a noticeboard? From the looks of things,

4460: 2338:#5, wikipedia isn't to be used as a price guide. We may list items as either, "free, shareware, or commercial" but listing specific prices is against policy.-- 2192:

Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic

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I could create a two column table listing words and their definitions, that doesn't make it a word comparison (unless the reader chooses to use it that way).

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no problem. I help with the tables. made something in html/excel/pages/whatever; or give me the header and i will include the information in the comparison!

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The above discussion already had consensus and arguments to move to "List of". It was closed just because someone had moved the page at mid-discussion.

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when it comes to the features and functionality of a particular software program. Ask yourself, which would you trust more, a software program's own

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is simply about adding red links - whether or not software that is not sufficiently notable for an article is mentioned here is a different issue. -

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this article would become unmanageable (and it was getting to that point when I removed the IM clients that were already included). I suppose we

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That's basically what I proposed. You wrote "require an RS that either compares a good portion of the proposed items"; that's usually called a "

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There should be a table for support of ipv6, utf8 and ssl too, and probably something about scriptability. I'll try to start adding some of it.

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Crossmr, perhaps not your intent, but I hope you do realise thay you are basically saying that the major contributors to this article such as

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never heard of it. I had no idea that PRODs were sent there). Yes, please, bring my actions to whatever noticeboard you think appropriate. --

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The Multi-IM instant messenger clients that have IRC support in the list above really do not belong in these tables since there is already a

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article that does a much better job covering those. Some of the above links are for actual IRC clients however and those should be added. --

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of which Google Books still only indexes a fraction thereof. Considering what I covered in some of the links I brought up when confronting

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Only standalone clients, browser plug-in type clients, or web server or browser based Java applet type clients should normally be included.

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when it was clearly a Manual of Style page. When those arguments ultimately failed, you slightly change tactics and now attempt to invoke

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rowheader templates which are widely used for these purposes in these type of comparison tables. It may be worth considering changing the

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adding sources of verifiability and notability. Many of them are simply shared with other IRC clients that are in the list, as explained

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You attempted to invoke WP:OTHERSTUFF because you had already made up your mind regarding WP:LSC and didn't care to consider my points.

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If everyone insists on giving xchat a Yes for text ui, then irssi would need to get a Yes for GUI - there is some xirssi stuff on svn.

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You also knew quite well WP:SOFTWARE doesn't get too much activity, which is why you chose it over a more active WikiProject such as

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I agree, we really need a DCC Resume table, its function is very important, but I do not know how to add tables, someone can do it?

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over his bulk removal of material from this article (which I previously had gone through, expanded, and added references for), you

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Yeah, well, get a source explaining how KVIrc is notable, and then we speak about that. WP:LISTNAME and WP:LSC still apply, you

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You know the IM software Trillian? It is also an IRC client. By default Trillian 3.1 and Astra carry a IRC add-on built in. :)

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were clearly being used as a weapons to attack others (including myself) who had previously spent a good deal of time actually

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and the handful I picked at random from that category make it quite clear that your argument of "comparison of" articles are

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was intended to keep navigational lists from growing out of hand with red-links and was never intended to conflict with the

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I will be renominating this for deletion next week if no argument can be made that this list is in any way discriminatory.

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definitions and criteria, we can't include the entry for the original IRC client called "irc" which shipped with the early

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With a long period I expanded the tables with data I found in the articles and which are given here. feel free to help ;)

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below for an updated list. IM clients in particular do not belong in this comparison article as they should be added to

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I would agree that notability is not an appropriate metric for list inclusion; the guideline explicitly states this in

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I'd like to discuss this further, especially considering also debian's deicision to get rid of that useless xchat-text

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ircII states that it's for UNIX and has a MacOS version of it. There's nothing stating that it can be run on windows.

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reliable of them all as the source code makes up the actual instructions for how the software program operates). Per

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Because that text is outdated, I believe you are confused as to what WP:LISTNAME was referring to when it mentions

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I agree with you about the contrast but I'm not really sure what else we could use. It currently uses the standard

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I see some like "KoolChat", which are so non-notable that they don't even have blog entries talking about them. --

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removing content at 16:55, 21 August 2010. I have nothing further I wish to discuss with you on this matter. You

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It has more than just one table. It's not a list, that's obvious. It's a comparison article like all the ones on

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I thought we don't count cygwin emulated versions? then where could one get native BX and ircII Windows version?

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amount of time to actually add an entry to a "comparison of" article such as this (if you don't believe that,

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govern article content. The question of content coverage within a given page is governed by the principle of

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No, not to verify that it actually exists, but to verify that it's notable or relevant enough to include. --

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I'm working on that! I'm were busy over christmas and new year... so in a few days there will be an update!

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to deal with all of that, but perhaps someone who knows more about this could take care of the dcc portion.

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It's listed as shell scriptable. It can use anything that can be a filter, and includes some perl scripts.—

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I think the best way to sum up everything I'm trying to get across here is: Knowledge (XXG) exists for our

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Rules on Knowledge (XXG) are not fixed in stone, and the spirit of the rule trumps the letter of the rule."

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leafChat is a very good client for windows. I don't know about other oses, but I use it on my flash disk.

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I don't think it needs to show it's notable, as such, but yes - I've no problem with needing a source for

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Why do we still have 0irc down on the comparison list if it is credited as to "unknown" to be an article?

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I am the 189.77.102.18, I only know that the ChatZilla does not support DCC RESUME because of their FAQ

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There isn't any information about browser-based client/services section. Something like irc2go.com :(

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round-ups, even if only covered in just a sentence, or mentioned in a list of software of this kind in

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Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Software/Archive_3#renaming_all_.22comparison_of....22_to_.22list_of....22

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other basis than verifiability and scope (IRC clients) is going to damage the article as a whole. -

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I have absolutely no recollection of being involved in such discussions - please provide a link. --

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was it you came to be involved here? Removing an entire entry the manner in which you did violates

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I have removed the PD notice, I don't see how this article can be "uncontroversially deleted" (as

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Snak is a fairly popular client for MacOS (incl now unsupported versions for MacOS Classic). It

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I can't quite follow what gets Irssi a 'partial' in Windows support and ScrollZ and BX a 'Yes'?!

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I realise this discussion has been held before, many times, but most software lists comply with

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itself is such a navigational list, where it wouldn't make much sense to include red-links.) --

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so don't try to twist my words. You've continued to ignore and/or gloss over the larger points

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Quite frankly it was highly inappropriate for those three individuals to do this sort of stuff

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do need improvement and additional citations (but don't most articles?) A lengthy browse over

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Knowledge (XXG) grew to what it is today. It should be updated, but that hasn't yet happened.

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that documentation or website with attribution so long as it is clear who is making the claim.

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If you don't believe me that xchat doesn't have a usuable text mode ui, here's a screenshot:

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by one of the parties involved in that disruption was improper and in violation of both the

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this article. My original concern was making sure the information this article contains was

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and that mIRC, PIRCH, Visual IRC, IaIRC, supports DCC RESUME because of the mIRC document,

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I think the best way to draw the defining line between a standalone list and a comparison

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aware of some of the past discussions so don't give me that bullshit. And just so we are

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States the individual who took it upon himself to bulk remove merged/redirected entries

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Notability isn't vague. it is a well established threshold for inclusion on wikipedia.--

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more reliable for simple features and functionality, which again is perfectly fine per

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software; all we need is a RS mentioning the software capabilities for each entry. --

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named "comparison of" are somehow "stand-alone lists". Those articles are also not

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is a policy. It specifically governs what can be in a list, and this is a list per

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elements (not just a version number and/or a release date), then the article is a

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that could be added to to the comparison tables here. There may also be others in

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This is most useful! However some (to me) critical details are currently missing:

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of myself, friends, and co-workers, including phone calls to my place of work. --

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of sense to cover material which may not necessarily have its own article purely

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http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xchat/xchat_2.4.4-0.1/changelog

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Enric, I'm quite familiar with the naming conventions for stand-alone lists (

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Version numbers and release dates are entirely arbitrary and not part of the

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So that's a no, I wasn't involved in such discussions, I thought as much. --

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http://cvs.prbh.org/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/epic4/doc/DCC_REVERSE?rev=1.4

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Comparison of Star Trek and Star Wars

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Well, since I've been working on improving these tables I'll try to answer.

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above. I've added hatnote templates which will hopefully help with this. --

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/List of fax software (2nd_nomination)

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Trillian is on the above sections but not in the below "Features" section.

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Should there be a category/list on this page or should there be a new one?

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don't? (also, you give articles that are not comparable to this one, like

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where it makes perfect sense to include entries as red-links or non-links.

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that include tables of information which might also include wikilinks. --

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Comparison of instant messaging clients with Internet Relay Chat support

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clarifying here is that we desperately need to improve the wording at

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aware of some of the past discussions so don't give me that bullshit.

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as a reference if the documentation is lacking (and this will be the

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Knowledge (XXG) naming conventions indicate that his move was proper

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Editors who work on this article may be interested in the discussion

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of software programs which may not (and might never) have their own

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every other client should be on the to-do list on the project page

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Things are sometimes merged into articles, not lists. You can see

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Articles such as this are a firm rejection of your argument that

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as it misleads individuals such as yourself into believing that

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role of this article. Is there any reason to keep this section?

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I changed BX to 'Partial' because they do provide a version for

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means including only the software that one and preferably more

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This remains a very curious interpretation. The full piece is:

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even if they have no users - is allowed an entry in this list.

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Knowledge (XXG):Stand-alone lists#Appropriate topics for lists

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Is anyone going to tidy up this article? If not delete it.

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Say if you need additional columns or if something is wrong!

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aware of things you now seem to be claiming ignorance on. --

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P.D.:this article is in my watchlist because I commented in

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Knowledge (XXG):Lists_(stand-alone_lists)#Naming_conventions

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Knowledge (XXG):Lists_(stand-alone_lists)#Naming_conventions

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collection of reliably-sourced data could be assembled. See

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I added the rest of the red links that are currently in the

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we don't have any information what theses services suppot.

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you are in the minority view per the other comments in the

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Knowledge (XXG):Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions

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counter-productive, but am open to hear why it would be.

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ok; new features in the comparison want to get values! ;)

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clients which need to be add and have already an article:

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If I could answer the above I would... but as yet I cant.

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move

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notability wasn't an issue here, although as seen in the

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you're right! corrected! (found news on their homepage!)

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Shouldn't there be a table for extendablity via scripts?

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a

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While you were certainly entitled to voice your opinion

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they are named "Comparison of". Contrast those with say

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would be a positive step in the right direction, IMHO.

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how would you call it / what is a comparison for you? --

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So what does the material in those links boil down to?

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that I've made while refuting your arguments regarding

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Don't try to put words into my mouth. I said you were

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essays are so common sense to be readily treated as a

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which versions of win will it run on (out of the box)

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You previously made repeated attempts to invoke the

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It incorporates elements of general and specialized

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as in "BOLD, revert, discuss"; not "BBRD" or "BOLD,

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based on a core topic are certainly permitted. (See

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include in similar lists. That's not a violation of

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Which one uses the least CPU and works on windows ?

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https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285630

4459:. You might do well to have a read over the essay 3924:Comparison of raster to vector conversion software 3699:reliable to use a program's own documentation per 3684:absolutely does not prevent us from comparing the 3173:— This move was done the other way round today by 4282:Enric, to revisit your specific removal of KVIrc 4166:Enric, I specifically mentioned articles such as 3882:). None of these are "list of" stand-alone lists 2668:I completely disagree. NCC is a guideline. While 5161:"This page documents an English Knowledge (XXG) 4961:intended to be used for navigation. The text at 4461:Knowledge (XXG):Make articles useful for readers 4372:is thataway. Alternatively, consider working in 3060:) which have since unfortunately been dropping ( 5055:. I don't have the time to argue this with you 5029:In addition, Enric, you did not make a post to 4237:apply to lists which consist of wikilinks, not 3946:, I think the differences between "comparison" 2943:with the three individuals who targeted me for 2828:I'd like to have more discussion about what a 801:, Miranda should have a note (7) stating that 454:Editors of this article might want to look at 5060: 4966: 4204:"stand-alone lists" and therefore subject to 3898:no longer "list of" stand-alone lists or say 2183:We actually have policy that addresses this: 1953:Probably better off to tighten the criteria. 1798:Template:Latest stable software release/rxIRC 1787:Template:Latest stable software release/rxIRC 1057:DCC file send supports router port forwarding 493:lmao nevermind I'm an idiot please disregard 8: 4615:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/NexIRC 2907:. No reason to force the comparison only to 2676:. NCC doesn't remotely apply on this page.-- 5145:is a part of the English Knowledge (XXG)'s 3900:Comparison of open source and closed source 3474:(notability guideline), which sends you to 3243:Egad, that is a lot of comparative lists. 88:Some kind of list for Web-Based IRC clents? 4472:it genuinely doesn't seem to be worthwhile 4168:Comparison of Windows Vista and Windows XP 4150:Comparison of Windows Vista and Windows XP 4001:Knowledge (XXG) is an online encyclopedia. 3868:Comparison of Windows Vista and Windows XP 3862:) naming scheme does not simply make it a 3822:. I don't remember how I found the AfD. -- 3025:(I never really was able to find anything 1239:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject IRC/To Do List 5022:which has in the past been brought up on 4947:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients 4891:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients 4660:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients 4021:Knowledge (XXG) does not have firm rules. 3740:however, it is much preferable to use an 3635:is a subsection of) specifically states: 3171:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients 1699:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients 1585:May I request that the color for clients 1235:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients 1026:How about adding new features in the list 980:feel free to write first an article ;) -- 768:http://www.sysreset.com/rdcc-protocol.txt 669:http://developer.pidgin.im/DeveloperPages 105:page to be a valid "product comparison". 4049:). It would be a huge disservice to our 3712:documentation or website is going to be 2835:Knowledge (XXG):Reliable_source_examples 4599:going against the prior discussions? -- 4131:Knowledge (XXG):Somebody Else's Problem 3916:Comparison of x86 DOS operating systems 3617:article on the other hand, it can make 1711:Comparison of instant messaging clients 1691:Comparison of instant messaging clients 1281:Comparison of instant messaging clients 1095:Comparison of instant messaging clients 1091:#Clients missing from comparison tables 4658:"Just a heads up...the first table in 3932:Comparison of disk encryption software 1318:Clients missing from comparison tables 665:http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/1425 661:http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/7486 129:Information in the individual articles 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 5046:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Computing 3934:, or even have a lengthy browse over 1785:Templates for deletion nomination of 1697:IM clients that offer IRC support in 619:http://www.visualirc.net/features.php 615:http://www.mirc.com/help/dccresum.txt 531:Tashkinov, Tuesday 27 November 2007 7: 5063:above to see your past arguments. -- 4174:to invoke the misleading wording at 4077:actually wish to know more about. -- 4041:articles are among some of our more 3146:The result of the move request was: 2368:At the current state of the article 1247:Category:Internet Relay Chat clients 659:Pidgin does not support DCC RESUME, 4896:List_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients 3938:. If you spend some time comparing 3920:Comparison of graphics file formats 3850:. Just because an article uses the 3777:try doing the research involved to 3167:List of Internet Relay Chat clients 3003:after months of this sort of stuff 1713:to better cover these if needed. -- 5100:As I've said previously regarding 4785:Browser-based IRC clients/services 4410:is the correct place to deal with 4017:and the very last section states: 3878:(three of many such examples from 3493:individual inclusion standards. - 3199:Its a list with a table embedded. 607:http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/ 144:fserv vs DCC server vs passive DCC 24: 5179:Knowledge (XXG):Template messages 5005:Knowledge (XXG):Civil POV pushing 4985:Knowledge (XXG):Stand-alone lists 4965:which you repeatedly referred to 4231:Knowledge (XXG):Stand-alone lists 4219:Knowledge (XXG):Stand-alone lists 4206:Knowledge (XXG):Stand-alone lists 4125:. You would also do well to read 3761:quite a lot of work into it. How 3744:source vs source code which is a 3629:Knowledge (XXG):Stand-alone lists 3017:not here to build Knowledge (XXG) 2106:for it to have any real value. - 4213:Ultimately, what your arguments 3720:. In addition, when it comes to 3073:backing up what I'm saying with 3043: 2534:sources. This is acceptable per 1080: 809:you're right! I corrected this! 29: 3904:Comparison of Windows and Linux 3894:, which I would argue are just 3872:Comparison of Unicode encodings 2788:Merged groups of small articles 2268:List of social networking sites 1587:no longer in active development 902:Lirion (Λιριων, Лирион, ليريون) 766:Documentation of RDC protocol: 3962:is if the article is merely a 3953:List of Computer Viruses (All) 3623:for the purposes of comparison 2160:close to assuming bad faith.-- 1860:How is this list discriminate? 1810:22:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC) 1779:16:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC) 1758:02:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC) 908:12:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC) 774:13:07, 22 September 2005 (UTC) 563:11:06, 22 September 2005 (UTC) 511:Scripting Language Consistency 198:08:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC) 158:06:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC) 139:09:28, 22 September 2005 (UTC) 124:05:45, 21 September 2005 (UTC) 18:Talk:Comparison of IRC clients 1: 5209:13:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 5191:13:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 5153:in applying it; it will have 5073:12:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 4959:not simple lists of wikilinks 4955:Category:Software comparisons 4938:10:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 4920:10:17, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 4884:14:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC) 4844:14:02, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 4818:13:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 4198:Category:Software comparisons 3944:Category:Software comparisons 3936:Category:Software comparisons 3912:Comparison of ADO and ADO.NET 3880:Category:Software comparisons 3876:Comparison of ADO and ADO.NET 3508:influenced later clients). -- 3299:Category:Software comparisons 3219:Category:Software comparisons 3087:21:10, 28 February 2010 (UTC) 2926:18:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC) 2898:20:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC) 2596:would be book mentions, e.g. 2388:wasn't notable in this field 1766: 1251:WikiProject IRC article index 1241:. There may be others in the 1107:02:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC) 992:02:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC) 974:18:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC) 948:12:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC) 931:09:48, 10 November 2008 (UTC) 681:18:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC) 655:20:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC) 637:02:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC) 601:10:30, 26 December 2008 (UTC) 583:21:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC) 547:07:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC) 526:MD5 passwords hashing support 341:13:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC) 318:15:00, 18 November 2005 (UTC) 219:14:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC) 5139:, which respectively state: 5090:(bulleted multi-column) and 4557:02:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC) 4535:01:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC) 4505:17:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC) 4485:14:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC) 4386:11:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC) 4364:04:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC) 4287:since you have been arguing 4251:01:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC) 4162:17:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC) 4143:14:23, 10 October 2010 (UTC) 4106:11:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC) 4087:04:43, 10 October 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