1221:
you think we should start carrying articles that lack sources for even the most basic of information, start a public discussion where you'd have wider feedback. The policies do not need to be "clear cut" for editors to evaluate whether it meets the spirit of the notability guideline, which was developed through a consensus process. It's not like notability is some slippery slope by which no notability guideline can be enforced because there is no definitive bar. The linked guidelines make sense, and at the very least, they're not in question—you either have enough reliable sources to justify a separate article, or you merge the article into a place where it fits, or the article is deleted.
1224:
465:
525:
50:
890:
109:
81:
877:
185:
119:
95:
21:
1192:
pages for topics that meet the criteria mentioned in my first comment above. The idea is that secondary and reliable sources would have covered this release if it was important—it isn't for us to individually determine which games are important and which aren't. Instead we take our lead from the sources. My linked question mark above explains this in more detail
1205:
Well, I see you prefer to avoid to answer. Also, you try to obfuscate (even neglect) the freedom we have as editors. No, the policies are not clear cut and object to interpretation and consensus for the the editing authors. What about finding a compromise solution or agreement (as it is the vision of
1148:
Hello Czar, there is no clear definition what constitutes "enough" sources for significant coverage. We have a secondary coverage as required by the guidelines. Also idsoftware/Carmack works should be consider per se a notable part of the game history, I see little point in removing them. In general,
1191:
I wouldn't jump to personal motivations. I was most likely cleaning out some backlog of pages tagged for cleanup, found this one, searched for more sources, found none forthcoming, redirected it, had a discussion upon your revert, and now open the discussion for outside input. We only allot separate
1239:
Again, you try to present the situation as if there would be a clear cut for inclusion and notability (despite what you try to indicate... as there are secondary reliable sources). As you said yourself there is no clear cut, so we should give articles some slack. But, it seems you are interested in
1064:
Until just now, the article stated that the DOS version has 10 levels. This is wrong; level 10 "The
Crossroads" (reachable via a secret exit from level 1) has an exit to level 13 "The Coven", and I'm sure that on another level I saw a set of three exits, which according to their labels go to levels
1220:
This will be my last reply on this thread at risk of repeating myself. I did more than most by even bothering to ask whether you had a reason for reverting the redirect. I'm not the arbiter of how
Knowledge (XXG) determines notability nor am I an audience for bargaining over what is acceptable. If
1176:
May I ask the question what is your motivation in removing this (and other) fleshed out article? I have problems spinning my head around your motivation. Do you disagree that id software / Carmack were highly important for the video gamign history and their early works are part of it? What is the
514:
1240:
the most restrictive possible interpretion and not in a constructive consensus on articles discussion pages by the contributing authors. I improved th article, add a source and you insist on removal with the previous argumentation. I see a problem here.
1068:
Another dubious claim in the article is that "there is only one Dragon in the game, next to the final mirror ". Level 13 has (in a sealed-off area behind a breakable wall) a creature which, to juudge from its appearance, I'm sure is a Dragon. —
903:
927:
1021:
478:
329:
290:
915:
490:
342:
502:
985:
368:
316:
952:
939:
31:
1003:
199:
1286:
1009:
1149:
in case of doubt (about notability) we should go for "keeping" articles... in the end, Knowledge (XXG) is not on paper. We really should use this to our all benefit. cheers
265:
400:
979:
971:
381:
175:
1015:
997:
1027:
355:
965:
1281:
750:
165:
303:
684:
1291:
1084:
You're talking about a different game. Catacomb (aka
Catacomb 1) has only 10 levels in the DOS version. The Catacomb (aka Catacomb 2) has 30 levels.
260:
141:
1276:
1163:
If you don't have any more sources, the next step is AfD, where other editors will make very clear cases for how "enough" functions in this context
975:
1223:
508:
228:
213:
132:
86:
897:
1070:
325:
716:
436:
94:
61:
921:
588:
664:
442:
27:
991:
736:
712:
844:
546:
472:
464:
67:
49:
1074:
945:
933:
802:
782:
446:
312:
140:
on
Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
584:
889:
20:
1089:
660:
1114:, do you have more sources for this article? Because it's going to need more than the few added (
1093:
598:
124:
1065:
50, 70 and 90. Using the warp cheat and requesting level "99" results in one going to level 30.
909:
432:
1245:
1211:
1182:
1154:
764:
286:
1115:
830:
1129:
1123:
1119:
1228:
1194:
1165:
1136:
778:
578:
560:
1270:
722:
670:
604:
396:
1085:
1241:
1207:
1178:
1150:
1110:
632:
618:
377:
1249:
1234:
1215:
1200:
1186:
1171:
1158:
1142:
1097:
1078:
698:
532:
426:
422:
788:
484:
351:
221:
193:
137:
114:
646:
594:
496:
108:
80:
184:
338:
299:
816:
858:
364:
574:
43:
15:
183:
1032:
864:
850:
836:
822:
808:
794:
770:
756:
742:
728:
704:
690:
676:
652:
638:
624:
610:
566:
552:
538:
270:
255:
250:
245:
240:
235:
196:
has been made to help better illustrate the article.
136:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
8:
751:Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
47:
1287:Video game articles requesting screenshots
208:
75:
1177:harm in keeping this existing article?
685:Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass
150:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Video games
77:
1206:WP) instead of escalating instantly?
876:
7:
524:
510:Five Nights at Freddy's: Help Wanted
130:This article is within the scope of
1060:Number of levels in the DOS version
233:
66:It is of interest to the following
1282:Low-importance video game articles
899:The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
14:
1292:WikiProject Video games articles
1222:
888:
875:
523:
463:
326:List of Pokémon special episodes
153:Template:WikiProject Video games
117:
107:
93:
79:
48:
19:
1277:Start-Class video game articles
170:This article has been rated as
26:This article was nominated for
1098:18:56, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
923:Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
30:on 8 July 2016. The result of
1:
886:
873:
521:
461:
455:
416:
280:
226:
144:and see a list of open tasks.
462:Featured content candidates
1079:02:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
883:No did you know nominations
1308:
887:Reviews and reassessments
176:project's importance scale
962:
522:Good article nominations
454:
279:
224:
207:
191:
169:
102:
74:
1250:18:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
1235:09:49, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
1216:09:38, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
1201:09:32, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
1187:09:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
1172:09:21, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
1159:08:56, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
1143:00:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
1088:has maps of both games.
845:Mario Party: Island Tour
713:The King of Fighters '99
547:Puff-puff (onomatopoeia)
474:Mario Party: The Top 100
935:A Space for the Unbound
803:The Great Giana Sisters
443:Minecraft – Volume Beta
313:List of Tiger handhelds
229:Video games WikiProject
214:Video games WikiProject
133:WikiProject Video games
1022:translation from japan
737:Fan-made Pokémon games
188:
56:This article is rated
966:Articles that need...
187:
60:on Knowledge (XXG)'s
1116:significant coverage
585:Shin Megami Tensei V
459:No major discussions
200:VG images department
1124:independent sources
156:video game articles
661:Yoshi's New Island
189:
125:Video games portal
62:content assessment
1133:
1057:
1056:
1053:
1052:
1049:
1048:
1045:
1044:
1041:
1040:
456:Other discussions
417:Merge discussions
203:
42:
41:
1299:
1233:
1231:
1226:
1199:
1197:
1170:
1168:
1141:
1139:
1127:
1113:
949:(NES video game)
892:
879:
878:
874:DYK nominations
867:
853:
839:
825:
811:
797:
773:
765:The Outer Worlds
759:
745:
731:
707:
693:
679:
655:
641:
627:
613:
569:
555:
541:
527:
526:
467:
410:
391:
287:Flash Element TD
222:
209:
197:
192:A request for a
158:
157:
154:
151:
148:
127:
122:
121:
120:
111:
104:
103:
98:
97:
96:
91:
83:
76:
59:
53:
52:
44:
23:
16:
1307:
1306:
1302:
1301:
1300:
1298:
1297:
1296:
1267:
1266:
1229:
1227:
1195:
1193:
1166:
1164:
1137:
1135:
1108:
1106:
1062:
1037:
958:
911:Pokémon Channel
893:
885:
884:
880:
872:
863:
849:
835:
831:Visions of Mana
821:
807:
793:
769:
755:
741:
727:
703:
689:
675:
651:
637:
623:
609:
565:
551:
537:
528:
520:
468:
460:
457:
452:
433:Pokémon Emerald
418:
415:
408:
389:
282:
275:
232:
155:
152:
149:
146:
145:
123:
118:
116:
92:
89:
57:
12:
11:
5:
1305:
1303:
1295:
1294:
1289:
1284:
1279:
1269:
1268:
1265:
1264:
1263:
1262:
1261:
1260:
1259:
1258:
1257:
1256:
1255:
1254:
1253:
1252:
1105:
1102:
1101:
1100:
1061:
1058:
1055:
1054:
1051:
1050:
1047:
1046:
1043:
1042:
1039:
1038:
1036:
1035:
1030:
1025:
1019:
1013:
1007:
1001:
995:
989:
983:
963:
960:
959:
957:
956:
943:
931:
919:
907:
894:
882:
881:
871:
870:
856:
842:
828:
814:
800:
786:
779:Iron Soldier 2
776:
762:
748:
734:
720:
710:
696:
682:
668:
658:
644:
630:
616:
602:
592:
582:
572:
561:Tina Armstrong
558:
544:
529:
519:
518:
506:
494:
482:
469:
458:
453:
451:
450:
440:
430:
419:
414:
413:
394:
375:
362:
349:
336:
323:
310:
297:
283:
277:
276:
274:
273:
268:
263:
258:
253:
248:
243:
238:
225:
218:
217:
205:
204:
190:
180:
179:
172:Low-importance
168:
162:
161:
159:
142:the discussion
129:
128:
112:
100:
99:
90:Low‑importance
84:
72:
71:
65:
54:
40:
39:
32:the discussion
24:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
1304:
1293:
1290:
1288:
1285:
1283:
1280:
1278:
1275:
1274:
1272:
1251:
1247:
1243:
1238:
1237:
1236:
1232:
1225:
1219:
1218:
1217:
1213:
1209:
1204:
1203:
1202:
1198:
1190:
1189:
1188:
1184:
1180:
1175:
1174:
1173:
1169:
1162:
1161:
1160:
1156:
1152:
1147:
1146:
1145:
1144:
1140:
1131:
1125:
1121:
1117:
1112:
1103:
1099:
1095:
1091:
1087:
1083:
1082:
1081:
1080:
1076:
1072:
1071:94.197.16.166
1066:
1059:
1034:
1031:
1029:
1026:
1023:
1020:
1017:
1014:
1011:
1008:
1005:
1002:
999:
996:
993:
990:
987:
984:
981:
977:
973:
970:
969:
968:
967:
961:
954:
950:
948:
944:
941:
937:
936:
932:
929:
925:
924:
920:
917:
913:
912:
908:
905:
901:
900:
896:
895:
891:
868:
866:
860:
857:
854:
852:
846:
843:
840:
838:
832:
829:
826:
824:
818:
815:
812:
810:
804:
801:
798:
796:
790:
787:
784:
780:
777:
774:
772:
766:
763:
760:
758:
752:
749:
746:
744:
738:
735:
732:
730:
724:
723:Hotline Miami
721:
718:
714:
711:
708:
706:
700:
697:
694:
692:
686:
683:
680:
678:
672:
671:Dr Disrespect
669:
666:
662:
659:
656:
654:
648:
645:
642:
640:
634:
631:
628:
626:
620:
617:
614:
612:
606:
605:Kim Kitsuragi
603:
600:
596:
593:
590:
586:
583:
580:
576:
573:
570:
568:
562:
559:
556:
554:
548:
545:
542:
540:
534:
531:
530:
516:
512:
511:
507:
504:
500:
499:
495:
492:
488:
487:
483:
480:
476:
475:
471:
470:
466:
448:
444:
441:
438:
434:
431:
428:
424:
421:
420:
411:
405:
403:
398:
397:Covet Fashion
395:
392:
386:
384:
379:
376:
373:
371:
366:
363:
360:
358:
353:
350:
347:
345:
340:
337:
334:
332:
327:
324:
321:
319:
314:
311:
308:
306:
301:
298:
295:
293:
288:
285:
284:
278:
272:
269:
267:
264:
262:
259:
257:
254:
252:
249:
247:
244:
242:
239:
237:
234:
230:
223:
220:
219:
215:
211:
210:
206:
201:
195:
186:
182:
181:
177:
173:
167:
164:
163:
160:
143:
139:
135:
134:
126:
115:
113:
110:
106:
105:
101:
88:
85:
82:
78:
73:
69:
63:
55:
51:
46:
45:
37:
33:
29:
25:
22:
18:
17:
1118:in multiple
1107:
1067:
1063:
986:reassessment
964:
946:
934:
922:
910:
898:
862:
848:
834:
820:
806:
792:
768:
754:
740:
726:
702:
688:
674:
650:
636:
633:Pixel Piracy
622:
619:Miner 2049er
608:
564:
550:
536:
509:
497:
485:
473:
407:
404:participants
401:
388:
385:participants
382:
378:Ryo Sakazaki
372:participants
369:
359:participants
356:
343:
333:participants
330:
320:participants
317:
307:participants
304:
291:
171:
131:
68:WikiProjects
35:
1010:screenshots
699:Async Corp.
533:Donkey Kong
423:Screen Rant
346:participant
294:participant
227:Summary of
216:open tasks:
212:Summary of
147:Video games
138:video games
87:Video games
58:Start-class
1271:Categories
972:assessment
789:River Raid
486:The Sims 4
447:discussion
437:discussion
427:discussion
352:Butterfree
231:open tasks
194:screenshot
1004:cover art
998:infoboxes
647:Ether One
595:Justin Yu
498:Smash Hit
1120:reliable
1090:Calvero2
1028:creation
409:relisted
390:relisted
339:Dokibird
300:Skycoach
28:deletion
1242:Shaddim
1208:Shaddim
1179:Shaddim
1151:Shaddim
1111:Shaddim
1104:Sources
1033:merging
1012:(8,818)
992:cleanup
817:Pikachu
261:vg talk
251:history
174:on the
1086:VGMaps
1016:photos
947:Tetris
859:Meltan
365:Bidoof
266:alerts
64:scale.
1024:(190)
1006:(247)
865:start
851:start
837:start
823:start
809:start
795:start
771:start
757:start
743:start
729:start
705:start
691:start
677:start
653:start
639:start
625:start
611:start
575:Birdo
567:start
553:start
539:start
271:purge
256:shell
241:watch
1246:talk
1230:czar
1212:talk
1196:czar
1183:talk
1167:czar
1155:talk
1138:czar
1094:talk
1075:talk
1018:(66)
1000:(19)
281:AfDs
246:edit
236:view
36:keep
34:was
994:(8)
988:(0)
978:) (
953:rev
940:rev
928:nom
916:nom
904:nom
783:nom
717:nom
665:nom
599:nom
589:nom
579:nom
515:nom
503:nom
491:nom
479:nom
166:Low
1273::
1248:)
1214:)
1185:)
1157:)
1134:)
1126:.
1122:,
1096:)
1077:)
406:;
387:;
1244:(
1210:(
1181:(
1153:(
1132:)
1130:?
1128:(
1109:@
1092:(
1073:(
982:)
980:0
976:0
974:(
955:)
951:(
942:)
938:(
930:)
926:(
918:)
914:(
906:)
902:(
869:)
861:(
855:)
847:(
841:)
833:(
827:)
819:(
813:)
805:(
799:)
791:(
785:)
781:(
775:)
767:(
761:)
753:(
747:)
739:(
733:)
725:(
719:)
715:(
709:)
701:(
695:)
687:(
681:)
673:(
667:)
663:(
657:)
649:(
643:)
635:(
629:)
621:(
615:)
607:(
601:)
597:(
591:)
587:(
581:)
577:(
571:)
563:(
557:)
549:(
543:)
535:(
517:)
513:(
505:)
501:(
493:)
489:(
481:)
477:(
449:)
445:(
439:)
435:(
429:)
425:(
412:)
402:7
399:(
393:)
383:3
380:(
374:)
370:6
367:(
361:)
357:6
354:(
348:)
344:1
341:(
335:)
331:8
328:(
322:)
318:2
315:(
309:)
305:3
302:(
296:)
292:1
289:(
202:)
198:(
178:.
70::
38:.
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
