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1125:"It was officially part of Caversham Primary School until 1959, when it was declared a separate institution, and now has a roll of about 250 pupils." - I see it's spelled "roll" in this sentence. If "enrollment" is not the usual term in New Zealand, perhaps a link to something like "roll call" would help make this clear to foreigners.
1109:"Caversham was known as "The carpenters' borough" because of the high proportion of skilled workers working in the building trade." - To avoid "workers working", perhaps something like this would be better: "Caversham was known as "The carpenters' borough" because of its high proportion of skilled workers in the building trades."
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I'm from the UK, and I'd honestly never heard of the word 'halt', in the context of a railway. I think, if I understand that link correctly, that it's what we would call 'a small station'. I think the link gives sufficient clarification. This is also why I queried the 'no stations' part, I guess.
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1231:"Caversham Baptist church is located at the corner of South Road and Surrey Street, opposite Close to Caversham School." - Since "Close" is capitalised, I'm not sure what this means. It might just be a typo, a sort of echo of "opposite" accidentally left in from an earlier draft.
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