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Hey Morgan695 and all those who are reading this message. I'm sorry for having us to go through the debate arguments about
Captain America's powers. I admit that he is not as superhumanly powerful as Marvel officially states him to be, but instead he is peak human. However, if he is supposed to be
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Tomorrow Man, literally struck his hammer with the force of a Big Bang (or to be specific, two Thor copies, who were exactly as powerful as him together did so), and provided the energy for a machine that could destroy infinite timelines, and yet the Marvel handbooks stubbornly and idiotically
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At least I tried to revert my edits. If y'all think that we should leave it the way it is, that's fine. But, I think we should add more information about
Captain America's powers and abilities because not all of them are inconsistent. For example, his fighting skills are one of the most important
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Look, I am just making an argument for that if you want to define what the characters can and cannot do, you should preferably use the source material, rather than the handbooks, the latter of which are infamous for blatant, and likely deliberate, systematic misinformation in this regard. That is
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Courage Marvel's comments ("it said that he does have the source of superhuman powers", "there will be going to be a war edit"), I think there may be a language barrier issue here that is
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Take a look on this source I found. According to Marvel
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First of all, I gave you the source that said about Captain America does possess superpowers. My behavior is not getting dangerously close to edit warring. It's you who not wanting to admit the source that I gave you. If you want to see it for yourself on look on this website video
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claim that he can only lift a 100 tons, despite that he has demonstrated literally infinite power on multiple occasions, and with the Odinforce he should be as powerful as Odin, who has demonstrated feats enormously beyond even that scale.
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