Talk:Captain Tom Moore/Archive 1

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Medal') was established by the regiment as a trophy for "recognition for officers and soldiers who make an outstanding contribution to military effectiveness and reputation of the Regiment". As an unofficial medal, it's worn on the right breast as seen in all of the photos of it being worn and isn't permitted for wear on the uniform outside of regimental functions. For this reason, you received no opposition for moving from the list of official medals. The fact that four of his other medals were awarded for service during the war is besides that point entirely. A standard layout for military bio's exist on Knowledge (XXG), and where a list of medals are present in the article, all medals are there and not randomly spread about throughout the article. I made the change to the line "For his military service, Moore was awarded four medals:" and made it "the following are Moore's

3376:, seen as primary topic (particularly in the UK, not sure about elsewhere,) due to a recent news spike, but was almost unknown until recently. The existing title makes it very clear who the article is about, and dropping the disambiguation will only see the article renamed again later when viewed in an historical perspective against all other Tom Moores. Would not have a problem with Captain Tom Moore if it is regarded as commonname as although the only non-fictional examples I've seen with military-themed titles are Colonel Sanders and Colonel Tom Parker, where these used honorary titles not ranks, he is credited as Captain Tom Moore on "you'll never walk alone" where captain could be considered as part of a nickname/stagename. 1580:). It's been a while since I looked at it, but at one point I think I went through all our rank-prefixed titles and every single one was a fictional character; we didn't use this format for any actual humans. If we want to avoid using "(fundraiser)", then switch the disambiguator to something else, but it feels really awkward to use the rank instead. The article naming conventions, as well as recommending "common names", also notes that "Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles" is a key issue to consider. 1476:

fundraising effort (as discussed in the previous Move discussion above), it's his personality as "Captain Tom Moore" that is publicly known for raising money for charity. In addition, it's not his former military rank that gives rise directly to the prefix "Captain" in the article title, as that is not usually used after retirement and is not used under the article naming standards, it's simply become his commonly known name and this gives rise to the article title as per the policy cited.

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uniform, with Cap Badge, Buttons and red lanyard of the Duke of Wellington's Regiment (West Riding). NB: He could not be promoted to 'Major' as non serving officers and soldiers cannot be promoted (Mostly as it really upsets the army pensions office). One other bit of helpful info may be that Charles Dent, former CEO of Timothy Taylors Brewery was an Honorary Colonel of the 4th Battalion of the Yorkshire Regiment. Timothy Taylors brewed the 'Dukes' Regimental Beer 'Havercake Ale' (

3002:. We can't look at this move discussion in isolation, but we need to look it in conjunction with the one that was closed by myself not so long back. In that close, I mentioned that there was a case that "Captain Tom" was possibly the COMMONNAME, and in this discussion, there seems to be a consensus developing that is indeed the case. Additionally, there's no consensus in this discussion or the one before it that "Captain Tom Moore" is either the COMMONNAME or in line with 2215:. WP:COMMONNAME and WP:IAR doesn't give the right to violate naming conventions; in fact, by COMMONNAME, we can claim "Tom Moore (captain)" is just as suitable as a title. If we must include his title, use it as a disambiguator. Per the anonymous user who supported above, claiming "Queen Elizabeth. General MacArthur. Captain Sully. Field Marshal Rommel." as examples, none of them have their honorific at the beginning of the WP article's title. 31: 2105:

event flourished into a gradually developing multi-million pounds campaign and all the power to him, let it flourish into 50 million or more, and more power to the supporting public as well. I hope the song brings in tonnes of more millions. We need it. However, a fundamental question that we must ask ourselves is this. Had it not been this 100 lap walking pledge of Mr. Moore, would we have had a Knowledge (XXG)

3455:, we have at least two politicians known primarily as Tom Moore, a Super Bowl winning NFL assistant coach, and a member of the National Track and Field Hall of Fame. I'm neutral on the alternative proposal to move this page to Captain Tom Moore. I would hope who ever closes this considers a moratorium considering this is now the third requested move in less than a month. 1618:. I think the arguments made by Andrew and Deb are reasonable, but in this case I believe we should go with what the preponderance of sources refer to the article subject as. And the reliable source consensus is clear: this man is known by Captain Tom Moore or Captain Tom. Where our precedent and consistency comes in is by choosing 2078:. Many people are commonly referred to using their ranks, titles, etc. We don't do it; that's our house style. No reason to make an exception here. The title is fine as it is. Although he is a former army officer (war substantive only, not career), he's not notable for being an army officer; he's notable for being a fundraiser. -- 1240:. On a pure numerical basis, the supports are in the majority, but not overwhelmingly so. I've long been skeptical of the use of COMMONNAME as a thought-terminating cliche, and this is another case. Is "Captain Tom Moore" indeed the most common name used to refer to the bloke? I don't believe the evidence is overwhelming. Indeed, 3525:. He's only primary today, not in long-term significance. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the title as it currently stands. Definitely oppose any inclusion of his rank or title, unless we're going to move all people best-known together with their ranks and titles (that's a large chunk of people who hold them). -- 1456:

Just to note, when searching in Google for "Captain Tom", there are 26 mentions on the first page of "Captain Tom Moore" or "Cpt Tom Moore" out of 36 mentions of "Captain Tom" or "Cpt Tom" (excluding the search term). In everyday speech, "Captain Tom" may be more common, but "Captain Tom Moore" seems

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Page, regarding the bit about the DWR being merged into the 1st Bn Yorkshire Regiment. I have reverted that and explained why in the Edit Summary. I can understand the need to keep an article factual, but to state something that is blatantly incorrect is not a good idea. Especially as it does not tie

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to trim down the number of similar fundraising efforts. This is a page about Captain Tom Moore and not all of the other fundraisers that have gone on since, which will be a huge number. This article needs to make clear that he has inspired a number of different events and has had a notable impact in

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on my reading of the article, there is nothing notable in his military career, and I must admit everything he did in his 100 years is not notable.... except for this last "walk" event at the age of 100. He ran a small charity campaign to collect 1000 pounds, the British public was fascinated and the

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I don't think the army rank is being used as a disambiguator in this case, or particularly as a 'rank' really. It is being used more because it is the only way his name is ever written in the sources, it's part of his public persona. It's a sort of term of fondness or familiarity, tempered with deep

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Sorry I didn't spot the minor rewording (addition of 'the regiment into which it was merged'). I agree that simple change of wording is better, as it does not imply the regiment was merged into the 1st Bn. The word 'merged' is also incorrect in usage, as there was nothing to 'merge' into. On 6 June

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It should also be noted that Tom was only appointed as Honorary Colonel of the Army Foundation College. The appointment, which is purely ceremonial, does not continue through to either the Yorkshire Regiment or the Duke of Wellington's Regiment. Should Tom visit the College he would wear a Colonels

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The JustGiving page ceased accepting donations at midnight at the end of Moore's birthday; there as a small - insignificant - increase in the amount after that, presumably due to a lag in their systems. Although the citation is dated 1 May, I added that a few minutes after midnight. I have restored

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Agree convention and consistency are important. It seems there is no good suffix to use to use to replace (fundraiser) so there's no way for the reader to know they reached the right page from the article title alone, in fact the article title might make them question that; then they have to read

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You're completely missing the point, and I'm guessing not aware of how medals are created and awarded. All official medals are created by a warrant from the sovereign, once that happens they form part of the British Honours System. The Yorkshire Regiment Medal (Formally known as the 'Duke of York

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My (slightly above) layman's understanding is that it would be perfectly correct to refer to/address him as Colonel when he's specifically acting as colonel of the unit e.g. if he attended an event at the AFC, he would be introduced as and you would properly address him in those circumstances as

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The YR Medal is and remains official. Your attempt at a refutation here is a straw man, since at no point did I suggest that it was "awarded through the British Honours System". I also don't think anyone is disputing (at least, not recenty) that he was awarded, and thus wears the insigina of, a

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Refer to him, in military terms, as Captain Tom Moore, Honorary Colonel, Army Foundation College. The infobox should have the topmost word as Captain, not Hon. Colonel. Should there be any reference to his honorary colonelcy, it has to include the words "Army Foundation College." Thus possibly,

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Deb has a point about following the naming standards. One aspect of this case is that, while the subject is notable, i.e. there are reliable sources covering his biography, including his life story and military service, and there is general interest in the subject that goes beyond the original

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The Yorkshire Regiment Medal isn't awarded through the British Honours System and is, therefore, an unofficial medal, so its inclusion would be inappropriate which is why you didn't receive an opposition when you moved it. I did indicate however that the other medals are all awarded under the

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I have the reverted addition of Moore's knighthood from the section "§Military service", because it was not awarded in connection with that service, which ended some half a century before he was knighted, and placed the related image instead alongside the text about that 2020 award, under

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2006 three seperate regiments 'amalgamated' to form the Yorkshire Regiment. I do though feel that you could have retained the supporting reference I supplied to the in depth details in the DWR's Veterans associations website. There is additional info about Tom on their Website:-

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medals." which made it simple to understand for the reader. The original position existed for a month, you moved it and I challenged the move and fixed the line that caused concern. So far you haven't been able to back your reasoning without trying to change the conversation.

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Edit - photo has been un-deleted as part of a deletion request discussion. It seems the photo can be re-added to the article soon, depending on the discussion. If you have any info about the original source of the image, please consider contributing to the Deletion Request!

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rule applies here despite of this rule being quoted by so many of our colleagues above as an argument. I've read the article carefully... thrice. I don't want to belittle Tom Moore's achievement. I admire it and he has done a wonderful job, I must say. But as a whole,

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Where is this "long-standing consensus" that it applies immediately? Never seen it before, whereas I have seen multiple articles where we haven't added the Sir until they've actually been knighted. Also, it's only been announced by the BBC not officially yet.

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I agree with Nford24 entirely here. For military articles we tend to have their medal entitlement kept to one place. The Yorkshire medal is an annual award and isn't part of his entitlement so it sits correctly in the recognition section of the article.

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I have again removed details of Moore's Yorkshire Regiment Medal, which was awarded for his civilian charitable activity, from the section on his military service. It is - rightly - in the section on the recognition of his civilian charitable activity.

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In the References section of the article, there are currently 25 sources with "Captain/Capt Tom Moore" in the title out of 33 that include "Captain/Capt Tom" in the title. None of the sources that include his name in the title omit Captain/Capt.

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I'm not denying it's in the news. It would be very surprising if it did not now get formally announced. I'm denying that it has actually happened. Until it is formally announced, any report of "what type of knighthood" would be speculation.

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would need to be renamed "Monty". I can't find any examples of military men with an article title using a nickname (of course there may be some). Also, if you're going to invoke WP:COMMONNAME then the article would be called "Captain Tom".

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The honour applies immediately, and it is therefore long-standing convention on Knowledge (XXG), as elsewhere, to apply such honorifics as soon as they are announced. Furthermore, your source makes no reference to "the Birthday Honours".

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Please restore the original excellent photo of Captain Tom in his prime, even if you keep the current one at the head of the article; I’m sure it’s how may people would wish to remember him, notwithstanding his later achievements.

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It almost certainly will be a Knight Bachelor, I should have thought, but we'll have to wait and see until it's actually gazetted. And yes, we can add the title as soon as it is. No need to wait until he's actually dubbed. --

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The Yorkshire Regiment Medal isn't an official medal, whereas the Knight Bachelor is, so that's comparing apples and oranges, therefore no consensus stands for changing the previous version which stood for a month unopposed.

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official system in an edit you reverted. The Knight Bachelor insignia is attached to the ribbon and worn around the neck and also in the same manner as a breast star. Also as indicated in the referenced material is this

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The figure in the article main body is now £32,795,725. The figure in the source is £32,795,312. Maybe we should say "over £32.79 million" in both places? But that source still lacks any figure for the "end of 30

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Why is the amount donated by Gift Aid, shown further down the Just giving page, not included in the total amount raised ? That amount of £6,173,649.56, indicates a total of £38,969,999.56. Lewis

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on the basis of attaining fame, quite deservedly, during the pandemic. The existing qualifier "(fundraiser)" is intuitively appropriate, although I would not oppose moving the main header to

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If that's the officially announcement of the Queen's Birthday Honours, I guess that will make it official, regardless of any future physical ceremony. And it will clearly say if it's a KBE.

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The Knight Bachelor isn't a medal, whereas the Yorkshire Regiment Medal is an official medal, officially awarded in an official ceremony, by an official officer of the Yorkshire Regiment.

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it's not so much that I "objects to this" or that I think my preference trumps yours, but that I like consistency, specificity and to follow my understanding of the guidelines. I choose

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is factually correct and supported by sources; and does not say "the DWR merged into the 1st Bn Yorkshire Regiment". Links are provided for people wanting to know the complete details.

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The minutiae of regimental mergers are not relevant in the middle of a section on Moore's charitable endeavours. The text you removed in your most recent edit, which I have restored

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Knight Bachelorhood. That is why we say as much, as I noted, under "§Recognition". I also note that you do not dispute my point that he was not knighted for his military service.

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Is anyone able to provide a link to the original image? I'm currently trying to argue against deletion of this photo File:Nathan Wyburn with Tom Moore Foot Painting MNT 0057.jpg (

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The only source for the JustGiving: Captain Tom Moore's 100th Birthday Walk for the NHS campaign total figure, raised "by the time the campaign closed at the end of that day", is

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about the gentleman? If the answer as I expect is a clear no (unless we can come up with other notable deeds that he has done or achieved), it makes this particular event a

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Subject is singularly notable in his own right. How about a separate section something on the lines- 'Highest fundraiser in JustGiving'? As this feat is notable on it's own.

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So for now, until we see official confirmation in the London Gazette, I agree that we should treat the knighthood as something due to happen at some time in the future. --

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in my own personal opinion, him holding the record for "oldest chart-topper" makes himself just about notable outside the charity event, and in any case, RM is not AfD.

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and many, many more. he's also the biggest ever individual fundraiser on JustGiving, beating the last record holder by twice as much and more, plus the fastest-ever. --

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Captain Tom is always likely to be the name he is known by. I'm just sorry they didn't make him a Major, so we could have endless arguments on the primary topic of

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There seems to be two schools of thought about whether being an "Honorary Colonel" is "promotion to the rank of Colonel". Most Honrary Colonels listed by the army (

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What I or any other editor calls him is immaterial; he is formally addressed as "Sir Thomas", but colloquially as "Sir Tom", so which is used depends on context.

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or above, so the way you have it now is fine. In the same vein, I wouldn't bother putting ""Captain" (or "Colonel") above his name in the infobox. Cheers,

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The suggestion contravenes naming standards. "Captain Tom" is a media manufactured label, and if used in Knowledge (XXG) would put Moore on a par with

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Thankyou Andy. That is official from MOD Army Department; use that as a reference for how to refer to him; it's specific to him and up-to-date.

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Consider the many number of individuals known by their rank or title. Queen Elizabeth. General MacArthur. Captain Sully. Field Marshal Rommel.

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Looks to be included on the JustGiving website and I can't see why it wouldn't be. Until there is a citation for it, it shouldn't be re-added.

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on this very talk page and whose placement - similarly under "§Recognition" - has stood by consensus in the article for the last two months.

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of knighthood does not seem to be, hence my question. Whether that is CRYSTAL, or some other failure, is debatable, but it needs a citation.

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when citing the BBC News website, with "BBC News" as the publisher. Another editor objects to this and keeps changing such citations to

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Colonel Moore. He is however not a substantive colonel, so in other circumstances should be addressed by his actual rank of Captain. -

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yes the walk is his primary notability but the article also contains a lot about the man himself, his background, war contribution etc

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Why do sources say "he will be knighted" and not "he has been knighted"? Is there any source that says he's been knighted? Thanks.

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might apply. However, I think the present title is a clear and acceptable disambiguation and so doesn't need to be changed.

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If you really want to use the common name, everyone calls him "Captain Tom". Otherwise, let's keep to the naming standards.

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You ask about referring to him as "Colonel Thomas Moore" in the lead. The convention is to only begin with rank when it's

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As far as I can see this distinction makes 0.00% difference to the reader experience. If I had to choose, I would go with

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That's how everyone refers to him. Should never have been moved in the first place. He is not a professional fundraiser.

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I've decided to be bold, and I've made the change. I'm not opposed to waiting until tomorrow's printed edition, either.

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stands, whoever "manufactured" it, and this is definitely his common name. I think it's more like a brand (similar to

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the originally requested move. It is far too early to say this Tom Moore meets the second criterion spelled out at

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Thank you. The pressing issue is, is it correct to refer to him as "Colonel Thomas Moore" in the lede and infobox?

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Honorary British Army ranks are not real British Army ranks. But for your !vote to count you might want to sign.

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It was deleted from Wikimedia Commons as a copyright violation; besides, Moore is clearly "in his prime" today.

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The knighthood is discussed in numerous reliable sources; some cited in the article. That is not CRYSTAL. The

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Why does the website say the last donation of £20, by an anonymous donor, was made 50 minutes ago? Thanks.

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I said "long-standing convention" - just look at the edits made each time an honours list is announced.

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I suggested that Moore's fundraising should feature on the main page, in the "In The News" section.

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per points made about ranks not being used in article names. I disagree with people supporting per

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seems insistent on splitting the list up over the page. Are we able to be consistent with this?

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It's standard on articles that include lists of medals to have them in order in a single list.

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I'm not seeing which indicates to me that the story has the level of significance necessary...

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should you need an abbreviated title, it would be "Captain Tom Moore, Honorary Colonel, AFC."

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or any one of the hundreds of other similarly-formatted article titles for military officers.

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Some say one, some say the other; you'd have to ask those to which you refer what they mean.

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Captain Tom Moore is now a "Colonel of the Regiment" or Honorary Colonel, (that is, he's the

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A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

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a) the present title is crap, but b) the gentleman is not the primary topic for Tom Moore.

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https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Nathan_Wyburn_with_Tom_Moore_Foot_Painting_MNT_0057.jpg

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None of the examples you give are referred to as such in their Knowledge (XXG) articles.

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This constitutes a better disambiguation since Tom Moore is too much of a generic name.

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The rank is entire useable and a correct form of address is Colonel Moore but going on

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I've commented out the hatnote, as the article is due to be on the main page shortly.

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Accounting can be messy. Money transfer, credit card, or paypal all can take time.

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Would be good to see this article on the main page. Any plans to propose for DYK?

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No objection. That might be better. He is much more well-known as "Captain Tom".

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Current form is consistent with convention on ranks and we shouldn't just invoke

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If his military rank is the preferred disambiguator, it should be formatted like

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Hello I note you reverted my edit and reference to factual information on the

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which disfavor the use of a parenthetical disambiguator when a commonly used

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article, specifically the sub para on the regiments formation. Regards Lewis

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Notice of Sir Tom's knighthood has now been published in the Gazette online

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in with Other wikipedia articles. May I suggest that you take a look at the

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It is certainly international news now, so should another ITN be attempted?

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which shows his WW2 medals mounted with the medal of the Knight Bachelor.

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in the infobox; especially by people who have not joined that discussion.

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Twitter isn't a reliable source, wait til it's properly announced in the

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redirects and we come up with the event as a title for our article, say

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The proposal also fairs favourably based on Precision, the 3rd of the 5

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citation templates were used in place of bare references in the article

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The proposed move would violate Knowledge (XXG)'s naming conventions.

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could be a good alternative given he is well known with his rank and

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covers it; any of those top three usages are practically the same.

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There are literally dozens and dozens of Tom (or Thomas) Moore's

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52735192

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No, that's just his letter of nomination from Boris Johnson.

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https://twitter.com/AlastairBruce_/status/1263043292180221952

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Do we have a source specifying that his knighthood is a KBE?

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because the media is just addressing him by his rank, e.g.

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I disagree. If we go with that approach the article about

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I'm unclear - in the light of the above discussion - why

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that needs to be reflected in the Knowledge (XXG) title,

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with other titles containing military ranks, but neglect

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if this were the British Knowledge (XXG), but it isn't

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He is now officially knighted so it should be changed

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Does anyone have a citation for the gift aid figure?

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notable in own right, he has a #1 single after all.

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