Talk:Carried by the Wind: Tsukikage Ran

74: 84: 53: 22: 1663:? And it doesn't seem you've even been reading other people's arguments—you wouldn't even acknowledge the existance of the manga until after listings for it were dug up, and you're claiming that manga published by a professional company aren't professionally pubished. And why are you using ANN as a basis for inclusion? ANN's entries, complete or not, are 337:("Set in the Edo period, this series is about a female ronin named Ran, who is accompanied by a highly talkative wandering martial artist from China, who calls herself Meow of the Iron Cat Fist . Together Ran and Meow fight bandits, corrupt officials and other antagonists.") has nothing to do with stubifying the article. Articles are 1960:

Whether you choose to obstinately stick to claims made contrary to the evidence provided is your decision, as is whether or not you want to start "pressing charges". If Ninja neko's proposed wording is what finally makes it into the article, the claim that it is a dōjin must be marked with {{fact}},

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Because ANN is more of an authority on these matters,perhaps the leading authority,and in my experience,it is indeed reliable.The burden of proof does not lie with me,but with Nohansen.As for Habaine Renmei,it was an anime based on a doujinshi.That does not mean Ran was based on a manga or a dojinshi

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As I stated elsewhere,it was a doujinshi and it came AFTER the series.This whole thing was NEVER about article ownership but rather,I don't believe in allowing misinformation on articles.When I contribute to an article,I like to put in facts.Solid facts.I begin to wonder about your good faith in this

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THIS is hardly what the guidelines meant.The article as it was dealt with FACTS about the characters.What has been done by Nohansen omits any and all facts,leaving only meaningless comments.THAT constitutes vandalism.Other anime articles are "too wordy" for Nohansen's taste yet nothing has been done

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I've noticed a few comments above regarding ANN as a source. As an anime encyclopedia, it is not a valid source as it contains fanbased material and does not have policies similar to NPOV. Citing ANN's encyclopedia is similar to citing other anime wikis. However, regarding news items, ANN is very

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Now, assuming the claim that the manga was a dōjin is true, it's quite possible that the anime was based on it (per the AoD link); regardless, since it was published at one time by a professional company, it stopped being a dōjin at that point. I would say something along the lines of "Originally a

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Tsk. I've been civil up to now,but my patience is not without its limits,so I suggest you accept Ninja neko's suggestion.It IS a doujinshi.End of discussion.ANN IS reliable.Period.I have better things to do with my time than to argue until doomsday.Don't force me to bring in charges of harassment as

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You have done nothing to improve the article.You have merely tried to shrink it down until it became meaningless.I can't accept that.If you want to add something to the article,add,but taking things out just because you think there are too many words just isn't the way to improve things. If you keep

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Sorry,Tangentcube,but as KyuuA4 wrote,only professional publications are considered.There has been no indication whatsoever that this anything other than a Doujinshi collection.As stated before it has not been listed in any Anime News Network entries,so any claims that this an official manga are on

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I can help with the wording. Like above, where I reduced the lead from 49 to 18 words. Or Ran's bio, reduced from 113 to 45 words. You can't think something worthwhile was lost: it says Ran's a woman, a wanderer, a master with the sword, drinks sake and is always broke. The stuff about Shiina being

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First of all, I'm no admin, but everyone is allowed to edit this article. The copyright infringement accusation does have bearing on this article, entire sentences appear to be copied from existing sources (links are in my previous post). So they should and must be removed or rewritten. Please read

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I have seen no merit whatsoever.The changes he has made are more in line with reducing the article to utter meaninglessness rather than following any acceptable guidelines. I suppose I could have accepted the additions to the infobox if he had let it at that, but that was not the case.I invested a

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Third, you have been accusing Nohansen of vandalism, yet you revert his work seemingly without considering the merits of every change he makes, such as the more-descriptive caption in the infobox and the kanji/rōmaji in the episode list—which he added first before you reverted him, by the way—and

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I may not have noticed the Production section.I might allow its inclusion if you do not edit anything else . This may be rather iffy since TR was not really based on any manga at all . Let's face facts,your attempts to shorten this article are NOT helping it all and in fact may have the opposite

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To expect people to claim,let alone believe,that a doujinshi is the same as a professional manga is stretching the point.A manga is published by a professional company.A doujinshi is a fan publication.It may be a good doujinshi and for all I know,it may have Daichi's blessing,but it's still a

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I still don't understand how you came to the conclusion it is a doujinshi. Doujinshi are non-professional, but this manga is authored by two recognized artists. Doujinshi are self published, but this manga was published by a well-known Japanese publisher. It doesn't fit the definition of

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I doubt shortening character desciptions to a meaningless sentence helps an article any.I believe in giving facts as I have seen them.Other anime articles have extensive character descriptions which by Your standards would cause an article to fail,yet these have not been tampered

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also said we should throw in the information about Junzaburo Shiina. While I don't agree, I think we can reach a compromise. Shiina's bio is too long for a one-shot character, so I believe it should be reworded as a summary for episode 13 and worked into a List of Tsukikage Ran

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I know that. You are "Rod Gonzalez", right? But, I think, you give up the rights to the copyright once you summit it to Absolute Anime. I think the same thing happens with Knowledge. You don't own those words, Knowledge (and AA) do. "Copyright © 1997-2007 Absolute

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Do you have to revert every edit I make? What was wrong with " gets into plenty of trouble, but Ran usually bails her out."? It sounds better than "Meow is not one to 'look before she leaps', getting her into plenty of trouble from which Ran has to get her out

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Your rewriting was hardly concise.This seems to be an attempt to shorten the article by eliminating important details about the characters,and that constitutes vandalism.This article is not meant to be shortened but rather expanded.It needs to be added

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I understand your not liking my edits to the article because you're afraid it could be demoted to "Stub". But besides rewriting in a concise manner and fixing grammar mistakes, I added the nihongo templates and italized Japanese terms (as required by

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that actually make the article longer just because you disagree with the editor. While you throw around accusations of vandalism and threaten reports, I think this kind of tendentious editing pattern would actually kill any point you tried to make.

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reply: the ANN ref is a general ref for number of episodes, network it aired on, studio, running dates, etc... hence I put it on the top of the infobox which has all this info. Anything that can be referenced should be referenced I believe...

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The sries started on January 2000,the publication in question in November of that same year.Again proving that this could be a doujinshi collection to which Daichi might have contributed some material,not neccesarily a manga per se.

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If the admin of the site is listening, please allow them to add the edits to these articles. I really don't mind if they use information from Absolute Anime... provided that it is in their own words and not repeated verbatum.

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of them. But if fans are using copyrighted characters without the owners' say-so, they are illegal (like the Doraemon doujinshi). But, like the news article says, most copyright owners don't bother (unless it goes "beyond the

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is any addition, removal, oor change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Knowledge. As I'm rewriting the article in a concise manner to make it easier to read, (following the guidelines of

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Take it easy, we're supposed to be reaching a consensus... Anyway, as I didn't find any more evidence (besides Daichi's panel at Anime Expo) the manga came before the series, I reworded the main body to reflect: 1) a manga

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That is not infringement.Rather those are facts.Sci-Fi Wiki must have copied from this entry,yet I don't see you going after them,therefore I must assume that you are attacking me which would be a violation of guidlines.

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a dōjinshi—just idle speculation on Nohansen's part that you ran with, apparently because it suits you—the burden of proof lies on you, because there is an indication that it's not—whether or not you choose to see it.

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I believe I have heard about a doujinshi like this some time ago.You don't have a leg to stand on.That fact remains that an unofficial publication based on the anime was done.That's all.Now let Ninja neko handle this-

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That is no excuse to make the article meaningless,which I believe you have been doing.Those edits you have done are not making the article clear at all.Even Ninja Neko realized this particular point when undoing your

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If it's published in November 2000, and the series started running in January 2000, It's not very likely that the series was based on this manga. It may have been a different manga you heard the guy refering too.

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Oh yeah, that's pont #3 in your list up there. In that case, we'd really need a source to prove that it was the inspiration for the anime series. The current listed volume was authored by the series director?

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ask for "modest detail" in the character section, even more so when it's minor characters. Then how come there no "Modest details" on other anime articles?These reductions still smack of vandalism to me.

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I doubt either of you are Knowledge administrators.In any case,all these terms have no bearing on the article and any attempt to reduce it will be considered vandalism and shall have to be reported. -

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And by all means feel free to rewrite the content in your own words (I haven't seen the series so I can't) - then there are no more copyright issues and the article is not a stub. Both problems fixed!

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Just checking: Who published the manga again? Regarding verifiability of the manga itself, check on the publisher itself. If the item does have an ISBN - then it's definitely professional work.

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are selling? Don't try to cop out by claiming these sites are in Japanese, either, because it should be obvious that there are more resources for Japanese media in Japanese than in English.

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Anyhow, I returned to see the article protected, so where's the discussion on getting to a consensus? Is this the topic? Shall we make a new topic? Without accusations from either side :D ?

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And Shiina's entry is overblown for a one-shot character, it's basically a plot summary. That's why, I think, the best option is to turn it into the episode summary in a list of episodes.--

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Second, it is unreasonable to expect every editor to maintain every article. We are not bots, and just because we happen to edit one page and not another does not make our edits invalid.

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because to call something amateur when it's not is in error—and for one who claims to base his additions on "solid facts" rather than "meaningless comments", I hope you realize that.

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I understand you and BiggKwell basically created this article, (once before in Absolute Anime) but you should have brought up your concerns with my edits before reverting them twice.

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I am aware of the debate about the profiles on Mei, Stephanie and Shiina, and that some of the information came from Absolute Anime. Personally, I don't care if the information

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lot in that article to see this happen. Tell me one thing,TangentCube,if someone had done something similar with an article that you had invested a lot on,how would you react?-

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Would anyone be willing to discuss the need to revert my edit? The article has problems with the wording, (besides the ones pointed out) and reverting just puts them back in.--

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Did you miss the part where it reads "Mistakes made during translation"?You're grasping at straws there.A rough translation filled with mistakes is not proof of anything.

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for full details on the policy. Before threatening with 'reporting' us, you may want to read it to see why we think these edits to this article are absolutely necessary.

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At this point, I can't help but wonder if there's any relevant information in the printed volume itself. I can't read Japanese, though, so buying it won't help me any.

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exist; and 2) that Daichi was influenced by old jidaigeki TV shows. I forgot to changed it in the lead, but I intend to rectify it as soon as the protection is lifted.--

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statement was tagged as needing citation. Since no evidence of the manga's amateur/self-published status was provided, I'm changing it back. Ultimately, whether it's a

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Aside from the Infobox material, which should NOT be touched, the rest of the material is not vandalism. Just contributions. If wording needs to be fixed, then fine.

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But I'm not getting through to you, am I? You're dead set on keeping the article as a (mildly) modified copy of Tsukikage Ran's entry at Absolute Anime, ain't you?--

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The article must evolve or it will die. It has shown no improvement in more than a year; the content is the same and the grammar is no better. It fails according to

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Ninja neko: Undisputed facts (such as "Tsukikage Ran is a TV series") don't need to be referenced. That's why the ANN link is, normally, used as an external link.--

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How is this a "meaningless sentence"? The only substantive difference is the part concerning her personality, and that can be covered in a different sentence.

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write on the series being based on a manga, and a tankobon being released after the series. And I believe they're a tad more reliable than "a messaging board".--

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The line "based on the manga series of the same name" in the lead should be removed, just because I can't find any source that confirms AoD's Anime Expo report.

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you feel the desire to revert (once again), take a deep breath first. Consider you'd be removing (once again) for no apparent reason information required by

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Enough asshatery for now. Seriously, don't you think it's rather redundant to be comparing characters from similar genres? Where do we stop, Kurosawa films?

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Instead of bickering in here, why not place some of that energy into summarizing the episodes? Just two-three sentences each. That's all that's needed.

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Ninja neko,if you're reading this,I apologize for the way this has dragged on.As I stated,I approve of your suggestion,Ninja neko.You may proceed.-

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agrees that since the "your" version of the article is a (mildly) modified copy of Tsukikage Ran's entry at Absolute Anime, it should be rewritten.

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Huh? Not all of them are illegal, they wouldn't organize entire conventions for selling illegal stuff. But that's an interesting bit to add to the

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manga (not a doujinshi, nor the "manga the series is based on") was published by Kadokawa on November 2000. I don't think it needs to be changed.

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said "as I didn't find any more evidence (besides Daichi's panel at Anime Expo) the manga came before the series, I reworded the main body"?--

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If we can all agree on this already, we can ask the admin to update the lead, since it now contains incorrent info ("...based on the manga").

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Agree. When it comes to any series, only professional publications are mentioned. To mention a "doujinshi" is like referring to a "fanfic".

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conclusion: article clearly needs to be improved. R.G., it's not up to you or anybody to decide who is allowed to improve it and who is not.

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I'm afraid the "Production" section that Nohasen keeps putting in has ONE glaring error.There is NO Ran manga.I would know if there were.

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It has evolved by the addition of the minor characters section.Breaking it down would only turn it into a stub and that's no good. -

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You aren't making things easy,you know.You want to include episode outlines,fine.But reducing character descriptions is just wrong.-

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got sued for selling a Doraemon doujinshi at Comiket. Do you honestly believe those sites are selling something a doujinshi, too?--

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BTW ,I'm currently on vacation and trying to enjoy it.Ninja neko.I intend to be back in a few days,STILL standing by my decision.-

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Is the article up to "B" class? It has plot, characters, media and a referenced production section. Does it need anything else?--

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at one point a dōjin, once Kadokawa picked up this title and printed it, it lost any dōjin status it may have had, just like how

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If that's how you feel, you shouldn't contribute to wikipedia. There's a warning at the bottom of the screen every time you edit:

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The article has been reworded so no copyright has been infringed as far as I can tell,so I doubt any reductions are necessary. -

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Please remove "based on the manga series of the same name" from the article's lead, as this statement cannot be verified (yet).

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Somehow,I doubt there is any listing for such a manga in any manga listings and even the listing in ISBN seems iffy at best. -

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Also, please change the second instance of "女だてらに強かった" to "南蛮娘はデカかった" in the episode list. The second occurance is an error.

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Tsukikage Ran is a blatant ripoff of Rurouni Kenshin which was a ripoff of Evangelion which is obviously a ripoff of Pokemon.

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Now that's just stubborness.Your edits hardly cover any information.Don't force me to report you to the administration. -

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None of these sites are interested in the difference between a doujinshi and a manga as long as it's in their catalog. -

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It's about bringing the article in line with the guidelines and policies I've been waving around for the last few days.--

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I wrote the entry on Absoulte Anime,so I may used it as a basis for this article,but that does NOT imply infringement.-

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So please go ahead and remove all that was copied from another site (I will do it myself if I can find some time). --

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On the Tsukikage manga: it credits Daichi and is published by Kadokawa. Therefore, not illegal (nor a doujinshi).--

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Personally, I wouldn't rely on a doujinshi. They are always fan-written manga which do not usually follow canon.

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know conclusively whether the manga preceded the anime, other than from interpretation of the AoD source, and we

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Of course, it also says "Conciseness does not justify removing information from an article." And by following my

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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I already explained myself once before: "as I didn't find any more evidence the manga came before the series..."

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was published on November 2000. Combined with Daichi's comments at Anime Expo 2002, I'm guessing the manga is a

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says "describe the characters in modest detail, including voice actor credits." You're removing the credits,

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likes my edit and thinks "it was low of to delete plot and production section just because it was 'short'".

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policies. Also, consider you can edit whatever you want into the new version. And, finally, remember no one

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The rewording I was gonna make was change "based on the manga series of the same name" to "and produced by

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you swore no manga existed. And I quote: "There is NO Ran manga.I would know if there were." Then you

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What Nohansen has done is vandalism pure and simple and I intend to report this to the adminstration.

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If someone finds anything that clears up the nature of this elusive publication, please share it.--

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You're just making up arguments as you go along. How are we ever suppose to reach a concensus?--

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matter.However,if you really mean what you say,and that's a pretty big IF,we shall wait and see.

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Well,this is interesting.As for the possibilty of it being a doujinshi,I suggest you check the

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Just so you know, :ANN defines a doujinshi as "non-professional and/or self published comics".

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I did not,but when Ninja neko made this particular suggestion,you went and changed your mind.

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My version of the article is now longer than yours and you're the one removing information?--

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doujinshi.Further it is not listed by Anime News Network,since they do not cover doujinshis.

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I fixed the grammar and clarified some bits as I could not understand what was being said.

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By the way, I find it ironic that a source is disqualified just because it is in Japanese.

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I saw the series once long ago and don't remember the details, but it seems you do. If you

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No.You have to prove that it's a manga.There is no manga listing for the series anywhere.-

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The way the manga section is written is pretty neutral and verifiable. It just states

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where it concerns existence or the lack thereof. Since I see no indication that this

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You're right, Scifi wiki copied this article. But this article copied Absolute Anime.

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on removing only if I added something worthwhile in return. And what do you mean by "

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Let's face it,most of us watched this series expecting Ran to be a female version of

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I'm not trying to open an old can of worms here, but it's been a month since the

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However, searching through the Book Sources page provided by Wiki, it seems only

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It is more than acceptable to describe some of the content of a fictional work.

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Understand I can edit whatever it's written into the article and, within reason,

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I don't think so. None of my sources write of a "Tsukikage Ran" doujinshi. They

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was re-published by Kadokawa Shoten in November 2000." Remember, though, that

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The same sources as you apparently.As well as a comment on a messaging board -

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R.G: How would "my standards" cause an article to fail, when I've written two

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A doujinshi manga based on the anime was published in 2000 by Kadokawa Shoten

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Hardly.That Knowledge suits A certain user's editing preferences perfectly.

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by how much information they cover, not how many words it takes to do it.--

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at all.I fear you might undermine your credibility if you insist on this.-

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http://plaza.bunka.go.jp/english/festival/2004/animation/000457/index.php

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First, content disputes are not vandalism. Read the third paragraph of

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that gained popularity after the television series and thus collected.--

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comic; it's a one-volume piece, published by Kadokawa Shoten, with the

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Alrighty then, just trying to find something nobody would object to:

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shaky ground.Nonhasen has not dug up any sources as KyuuA4 required.-

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Oh, you "heard" about a doujinshi? Sources. What are your sources?--

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or not, it's still manga (and that fact doesn't need a citation).--

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valid. Editorial material is also valid content but not absolute.

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to them.I suggest that the administration deal with this somehow -

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I worked the fates of the minor characters into my recent edit. It

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The article refers to Tsukikage Ran as "this series". Changed that.

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The article uses "often" too often. Removed where it was too much.

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For a tip on how to write up an episode summary, take a look at:

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There's just one problem: T__T the moment I correct the grammar,

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I already knew you (and R.G.) wrote the AA Tsukikage entry. See

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the

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a doujinshi. Didn't you read the five points I just made?--

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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shorter than before, but it says the same thing. Remember

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Not really,since the site in question is in japanese.-

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The ISBN, publisher and authors are not proof enough?--

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because we don't know for a fact it is a doujinshi."?--

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I know what they're selling... "a doujinshi", right?--

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want to better the article, we should work together.--

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Four editors (myself included) agree with the change.

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So far KyuuA4,so seem to have gotten the right idea.

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You may wish to take your version of this article to

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I trust my recent edit put an end to your crusade.--

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articles? "My standards" are just fine, it seems.--

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