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Council of Chalcedon and the results thereof will demonstrate that everything I changed and removed was not only justified but necessary, and I will be happy to demonstrate this with a multitude of unbiased resources should anyone seek to re-expand what has unfortunately by necessity become a stub article with the same misinformation I removed.
525:— All other articles about a system of Christian thought appear to be in the latter format: "Catholicism", "Eutychianism", "Nestorianism", "Apollinarianism", "Pelagianism", "Unitarianism", "Non-Chalcedonianism", etc. I cannot really think of any others that take the form of "______ Christianity" except for "Orthodox Christianity", and that is obviously done for the purpose of distinguishing from Orthodox Judaism. —
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832:– This artical was under "Chalcedonian" from its inception until "Chalcedonian Christianity" from 2009 until now. A proposal for "Chalcedonianism" in 2010 was opposed. However, I'm making a renewed proposal now. It could merit a reconsideration. First of all, the original "Chalcedonian" title would more strictly pertain to "Chalcedonianism" with today's article title standards.
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Council. The only two major bodies who have traditionally not held entirely to
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This statement: "Those who held to the non-Chalcedonian
Christologies called the doctrine of the hypostatic union dyophysite." at the end of the article is highly erroneous. The doctrine of the hypostatic union was really formulated by Cyril of Alexandria and confirmed at the Council of Ephesus, 20
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Catholics, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Methodist (I'm probably missing some in there), and you have the vast majority of the
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392:— note that the lead is going to need some copy editing, as well. If you read the wole thing it's clear that this name change is a good idea, and part of the reason why is that the first part of the lead is (currently) written to support the dicdef style of the (current) article title.
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Does a person qualify as a Chalcedonian merely if they accept the Definition of the Faith offered at Chalcedon or must a person accept the Council wholesale, including the Tome of Leo, the deposition of Dioscorus, and finally the restoration of Theodoret of Cyrrus and Ibas of Edessa?
187:. As such, I tried to provide all the pertinent information, without duplicating everything on those pages. I see no reason to "re-invent the wheel," and have directed links to where more in-depth info can be found for those who are interested. 17:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
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