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1359:, or perhaps reluctantly leaning that way. Tony makes a good point about how poorly this is handled by Search. On page views the US president is clearly jockeying for #1 if not in that position, which I find a little surprising. No topic dominates views over all others combined. So we fall to more subjective criteria, and it's hard to argue between a major city and a US president which has greater long-term significance. They both have substantial long term significance. Regarding the AP style book, that assumes that the context is a city or other geographical location. You can say "Cleveland" alone, rather than "Cleveland, Ohio" because it is assumed in context that you're writing from or about a particular location, and without specifically specifying where "Cleveland" is, the reader or listener will assume it's in Ohio. Throw that context out, and just say, I'm doing research about Cleveland, it's arguably ambiguous whether you mean that you're researching the city or the president. In contrast, if you're doing research about 918:. I think the city is certainly the primary topic for "Cleveland", as it gets far more page views and is far more significant than any other topic named just Cleveland. While it is true the president is prominent too, I think that "Cleveland" is far more likely refer to the city than him without any qualifiers (just try Google or Google Books, you'll primarily get results about the city if you search just "Cleveland"). And who would want a sports team by searching Cleveland? I think if either the topics the nominator mentions were really wanted by readers searching "Cleveland", the DAB page would be seeing more than 25 hits a day. 1675:. A COI is when someone works for or is otherwise closely connected with the subject of an article, so bias could potentially be included in edits. An instance would be if I worked for the city of Cleveland or the Greater Cleveland Convention and Visitors Bureau. Just because I live in Northeast Ohio and have been involved in editing Cleveland-area articles doesn't mean I have a COI. In the end, my opinion regarding whether the city in Ohio is a primary topic is based on Knowledge precedent and policy, not because I have some local desire for the city to not have "Ohio" in the title. I've edited 974:. Presidents are often referred to by last name only, but not all have gone down particularly well-known as such. This is especially true for Grover; the city was already named and prominent before he took office (population was 261,000ish when he was first elected and only rose from there). I'd say most people would know Cleveland as the Ohio city over Grover, since both are US-centric but the city has the benefit of a large population, several sports teams, and still being around today despite its incorporation predating Grover's birth by 20-or-so years. 1530:, which predates the Arizona city by likely nearly a thousand years. 3.) Significance in general. If you search "Cleveland" on plain Google/Google Books/Google News, you're going to get the city. After nearly 10 pages of results I gave up trying to find more than a handful of things that weren't tangentially Ohio related. This is not the case for "Phoenix", the mythological bird appears straight away, and the city gets buried in other results rather quickly (in addition to the bird, the 1022:, almost all pageviews are from direct links to that article, meaning readers know they're looking for. Using other presidents as examples isn't a fair comparison since the only other president with a name the same as a major city is Washington, which, of course, is also the name of many well-known things including a US state, on top of the reality that the city is often called "Washington, DC" or just "DC". The hatnote at the top of this article is sufficient. 1460:. This article is the clear primary topic for "Cleveland". Its use on its own far outweighs the fact that the president had this name, since it both predates and outlives him. With regards to the disambiguation page, there's more evidence that readers are mostly getting what they want when they search "Cleveland" than not. I don't see anything showing that there is inconvenience here, just speculation. 22: 71: 53: 1550:
additional evidence to support the PRIMARYTOPIC claim - the rest of that comment is straightforward PRIMARYTOPIC argument. USPLACE is at most a tangent in this discussion, and not cited by most of either the !opposers or !supporters. In any event, Nohomersryan does a decent job showing the difference between Cleveland and Phoenix.
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reality that in some cases, a specific city is understood by most readers without adding that city's US state or country. The AP also does not use "England" or "UK" when it references London, or "France" when it references Paris, even though there are also quite a few places and things in the world named
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identifies Cleveland as one of the US cities not needing disambiguation by state. The article titles have stable since 2005, and the city's associated category tree was recently renamed to align with the article. There's no good reason to disrupt a setup that's working quite well. Any concerns can be
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You raise an interesting point regarding the searchbox: why is it limited to 10 items? Why not allow up to 15 or more? How is the searchbox item-limit set? The seachbox is a de facto disambiguation, which is problematic when it becomes an incomplete disambiguation. Maybe when the searchbox item-limit
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problems of treating a particular topic familiar to one big group, like Americans, as more globally significant than they are. Also, we do not treat historical, geographical and other connections as "inherited" for this kinds of analysis, because notability is not heritable. The fact that the sports
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Sorry to prick your logic-balloon, which has just sprayed all over. You must somehow be aware of the proportion of people clicking on "Cleveland" in the WP search facility who know exactly what they're clicking on: care to share this with us? They might be after any of the myriad items listed at the
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the US's Weltanschauung is important here - is that the message you want to give? Oh and the argument above about Cleveland being only briefly a county is disingenuous at best - you don't need to try very hard to understand that its lengthy role as a historic area name predates its brief period as a
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that Cleveland should take you straight off to Ohio - it's monstrous. The English Cleveland is an important historical usage and should not be made into a backwater. People being too lazy to reference things properly (Cleveland, Ohio; Cleveland, England) is a separate problem and should not be dealt
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1.) Grover Cleveland is only occasionally known as Cleveland, whereas there's no other name for the city other than Cleveland. Even "Cleveland, Ohio" is still pretty much just Cleveland. 2.) This has been mentioned a few times, but the city has been in existence since before Grover was born. It was
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by itself as "certainly" meaning the American city. I'm skeptical they do, since the original Cleveland is an entire region in England with a long history (that our article on it mostly neglects to cover, actually), which has been noted for industry since the Industrial Revolution. At any rate, "I
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off somewhere else. There are just too many Clevelands, and Ohio's city (while most well known for me) is not the only one. This disambiguation works, albeit taking only mere seconds to navigate for someone seeking the Ohio metropolis. However, it is when we are exposed to more information than
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comes up very frequently) For me, a bare search for Cleveland in Google Books nets a ton results, and nearly every result bar one on the first five pages relates to the Ohio city; it divulges into unrelated meanings far before Grover gets the spotlight. For a search in Google Books for "Phoenix",
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Nobody seems to be using USPLACE as the reason to oppose the move. CTRL-F for "USPLACE" on the page shows one instance to refute the point that all U.S. cities should have the state added to the title, which is against USPLACE; and one instance where the fact that Cleveland is on the AP list is
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Sorry but this link wording: "Cleveland, a former county in England (1974–96) now known as Tees Valley" is VERY difficult to love. In a historical view, the English Cleveland was a county for a few minutes and has been an ex-county for a few minutes more. It was the historic name of an area for
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Yes the AP is American, but their general policy doesn't only apply to American cities. In other words, its a valid secondary source that refers to the city in Ohio as "Cleveland" instead of "Cleveland, Ohio". The way it doesn't use states or countries for certain cities is a reflection on the
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I am pretty confused about what has happened to Cleveland, England, but I think that it is no longer a county. There is a Redcar & Cleveland local govt authority but not, as was suggested here and on the relevant page, an actual county of Cleveland. If I'm wrong please let me know! :)
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The reasoning behind why it was originally given Primary Topic status remains true, especially after a year where the city has been in the national spotlight even more than usual with the sports teams and the RNC. Cleveland is one of the cities listed by the
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and it's easy to see that Cleveland, Ohio should be Cleveland. Some red-linked towns in australia, a character from family guy, the former president, and a bunch of towns in the US that I didn't know existed except Ohio. This definitely belongs on
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but nor has it really put it on the map and the names "Teesside" and "Tees Valley" are increasingly in use (without any real need for a term to distinguish the non-Darlington area). Hence "Cleveland" on its own normally means the US city even here.
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the rorschach term "Cleveland" gets a zillion hits. Conversely, a DAB page with the title "X (disambiguation)" might just as well be concealed in a dark room with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the leopard"; it will get very few hits.
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ideology (invented and heavily pushed by one particular editor) is stretched to a ridiculous extent. There are so many uses of the sole word, and not all for settlement names. It's a surname, even a given name, and a street name, plus much
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failed to mention that he is a resident of Cleveland, Ohio, and is or has been active on numerous wikiprojects and other institutional organisations that are dedicated to the theme of that city. Conflict of interest writ large.
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there's no extra significance for the Arizona city right off the bat; almost everything is about phoenixes or fantasy books about phoenixes, etc. The first book I get that is specifically about Arizona is on the fifth page.
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The US city is well known globally. The British Cleveland is not particularly well known even in the UK outside of the immediate vicinity - the short-lived county may not have generated the hatred of its contemporary
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county and ex-county by - ooh, what, a millennium or so? Really, this is a very sad debate. If you do stuff like this then perhaps you should be honest and make it clear that the intention is to make this into
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I can't speak for American usage, but to be honest, if somebody says 'Cleveland' to me, I'll think of the American city, not the British usage. (Granted I live in the south of England though). --
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mostly per above. The Cleveland vs. Reagan/Obama analogy breaks down pretty quickly. And the incoming links argument shows that our editors and readers treat the city as the primarytopic.
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That redirect was a bad mistake and must not be repeated, IMO. Having "Cleveland" is the disamb page is great, having it go to Ohio would be stupid. Don't do it please.
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off of primary topic status, in spite of AP style book support for the city not needing Arizona to disambiguate it, while the US president
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over a period of about 14 months, another tool measures how readers get there. In this analysis, the vast majority of the visitors to the
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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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Cleveland isn't a county and Redcar & Cleveland is a part of the former county but it doesn't cover parts of the ex-county such as
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already thriving when he won his first election, and obviously he's dead now and it's still going. This is obviously not the case for
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don't enjoy the same status—this month. They're moved back and forth on a regular basis, but at the moment redirects are the vogue.
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The AP argument isn't valid; that's an American rulebook for how American journalists (working for publications that use the
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more articles on other cities than I have Cleveland and participated in many naming discussions for articles. And just FYI,
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This is anti-nonamerican! Cleveland, Ohio is not the first cleveland so cleveland should go to a disambiguation page. Man!
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teams' names derive from the American city is irrelevant, and they don't "stack" to favor that city as the primary topic.
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Whether or not to redirect articles for major cities is a question still under debate—currently, cities outside the U.S. (
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gets way more hits than Cleveland the city? Presidents are often called by last name; a few are actually primarytopic (
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than that. Furthermore it maps BADLY onto Tees Valley. I've replaced that wording with something that makes sense.
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as not needing a state with it since it's generally understood "Cleveland" is referring to this city. While
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I've changed it to a more appropriate wording based on your request. I still stand by my close, however.
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That redirect was the correct thing to do, IMO. I'm requesting a reinstatement the move and redirect. -
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should get us to page for the Ohio city, whether it's titled "Cleveland" or "Cleveland, Ohio". --
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with by just going with the US consensus. If you make this change you are once again saying that
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we were searching for leading us down paths we never intended to traverse that we learn stuff. —
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The city is unambiguously the primary topic, despite sharing a name with a two-term president.
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The close might be OK if it said "in the opinion of lots of editors" rather than "in fact".
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He doesn't get "way more". If you discount the spike from this year's election, the city is
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Thanks. The idea that primarytopic status is a matter of "fact" seemed highly peculiar.
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lists as not requiring the state qualifier in a journalistic context, unless they, like
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should not be moved. The current name conforms to naming conventions. For reference,
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It would seem that consensus deems Cleveland, OH is more notable than the rest.
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us.wikipedia.org, the wikipedia that believes in US domination of the world.
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Why are we intent on inconveniencing readers-in-search to this extent?
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in England and moving the unconfusing disambiguation currently at
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