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31: 1895: 944:, Clipperton is 2390 km NW of the Galapagos Islands, and 945 km SSE of Socorro Island (and 1280 km SW of Acapulco). It is probably sufficiently accurate to give 2400 km to GI and 950 to SI - but if not, stick with the distances given in WCAW? Since Acapulco is reasonably well-known, any harm in adding it as a reference point? BTW, the direction of CI from SI is SSE, not SE. 876:
imagine there were still legal niceties involved that rendered this decision necessary. It's kind-of like the U.S. exercizing national sovereignty over all of its territory, but only owning a small fraction of it outright (for military bases, government buildings, etc.). In this case, France owns the island (sovereignty-wise), and (after 1981)
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states (in words) "a nine sq. km coral atoll" - but immediately below gives the island's area as 1.6 sq. km! The atoll is roughly rectangular, about 4½ km long and 2¾ km wide, giving an area a bit over 12 sq. km; this suggests that the 9 sq. km figure is correct. The 1.6 sq. km would appear to refer to the
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who's been inactive since 2004. The phrase "The first scientific expedition took place in 1725, under Frenchman M. Bocage, who lived on the island for several months." (or close versions of it) appear frequently online and in a few print sources, but I haven't found any that pre-date 2003 and some of
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November 19858, Lieutenant de Vaisseau Victor Edouard François Marie Le Coat de Kervéguen is at Clipperton. A sailor swims in to claim the atoll and collect guano sample. December 1858, Lieutenant de Vaisseau Victor Edouard François Marie Le Coat de Kervéguen make the claim official and legal in the
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The article mentions "the US Navy warship Lexington" visit the atoll in late 1915." However, the disambiguation page for shows one USS Lexington being scrapped in 1865, and the next not being built until 1927. Both cannot be complete and correct, so where is the mistake? The Clipperton Island page?
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Clipperton was once considered as a potential nuclear testing center. Because of the war in Algeria, France had to find another site. Eventually, French Polynesia was chosen and the island of Mururoa. From 67 to 69, the French occupied Clipperton to monitor if fallout from the testing were coming to
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Beside one theory (Nunn -Essay - Magellan's Route in the Pacific author George E. Nunn- reported by Skaggs -Clipperton: A History of the Island the World Forgot - that said that Magellan sailed North and East via Clipperton, everybody aggrees that he did not and recent computer modelling even state
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Clipperton was discovered in 1711 and officially and legally claimed in 1858. Mexico contested it after discovering the American guano rush there and occupied it. The pope was asked for international arbitration and he passed it on to Italian king Vittorio Emmanuel. The latter granted Clipperton to
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Herostratus, your proposal sounds good. In the infobox show "Area enclosed by atoll - 9 km; land area - 1.6 km". (The land area is consistent with the 'Overseas departments and territories of France' page, where (under 'Uninhabited overseas territories') the land area is given as 2 km ... probably
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The first paragraph gives the island's area as 9 sq. km (3.5 sq. mi.) - but the info box at the RHS shows 6 sq. km (2.3 sq. mi.)! (Was the former at low tide and the latter at high tide?) It's unlikely that both are correct ... but what's the correct value? The Wikimedia Commons Atlas of the World
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Sources ar all the books written on the drama based on what Captain Perrill reported in a letter a couple of years after having rescued the 11 women and children of the Mexican colony. First, to preserve them and because they had been through enough, he did not mention anything about the murder of
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I was the one who put that information in there originally, and while that was some time ago, I know that the original reference confirmed what I wrote. That being said, perhaps the reference itself was bad. I'll have to see if I can find something else on this subject to either confirm or deny
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This would actually make sense in light of the information in this section, as it was apparently the French government itself that was looking to develop Clipperton--hence, it would be natural that they would want to acquire legal title to the land itself. It all sounds like a formality, but I
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it to restore consistency. This judgment may be erroneous as there may be other words in the current article or in previous versions that establish a precedence of US over UK, but absent that, I believe the edit mentioned above that established consistency also established the ENGVAR for this
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that Magellan benefited from the tail winds of a local El Nino occurence. Magellan's pilots recorded every navigation points that were found and are available. Nunn thinks they wrote down wrong one to extend the Spanish possessions to the spice island...or something far stretched like that.
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On the voyage around the Cape, he dallied in the islands there hoping that the Speedwell, which had been separated from the Success in a North Atlantic storm, would catch up. When the Success departed the area, Clipperton left two men marooned as punishment on the same island which
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Re: "Clipperton is often used by the French as a self-deprecating ironic reference to the importance of the French overseas possessions." I've studied these overseas territories and never heard that. I'll remove the sentence, please re-add it only if you have a reference.
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Unless someone can calculate an exact figure, I'd be inclined to change those claims to "1120 km SW of Acapulco", which appears to be the consensus figure and gives a point of reference that's likely to be familiar to most readers, or at least locatable on a map.
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The section called Recent History has a few paragraphs about a visit by "Eric C" (whoever that is!) and talks about garbage washing up there but really doesn't make a lot of sense. (Added this to the bottom because there was no way to add a new section.)
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Some sources suggest the french considered using clipperton island as a nuclear test site during a dispute with algeria, where their test site was then located. Dropping nuclear bombs would generate nuclear waste, but is significantly different.
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The article states the last men died trying to reach the mainland. However, on the Costeau programme on the island, a survivor relates the last 3 men (other than the lighthouse keeper) were trying to reach a passing ship and died in the surf.
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Mexico added Clipperton to its constitution in 1914 under the french name Passion Island: isla de la pasion After the 1931 arbitration it was removed. France celebrated the 300 years of its dicovery in 2011 with conferences, stamps and coins.
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On 30 April 2010 the info box showed 9 sq km and 3.5 sq. mi., which matched the first paragraph. On 29 June 2010 the info box was changed to 6 sq. km and 2.3 sq. mi., so has been inconsistent with the first paragraph for over 4½ years!
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The article discusses the US leaving Clipperton at the end of WWII, but doesn't discuss the US arrival, nor what the US did there during the war. Presumably, the US did this with the permission of France, but that should be clarified.
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has a section which states "lvarez proclaimed himself "king" and began an orgy of rape and murder, before being killed by Captain Arnaud's widow, who had become the recipient of his unwanted attention." This section cites only
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Not much mention of the pirate John Clippeton marooned there by Pirate Dampier. Also, myth(?) of A Japanese Radio spy base there in World War 2? Thanks! DecideDatep.m.Sn.6/280921stCent.Dr.EdsonAndre'JohnsononD.D.ulc.
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Argh this is not good, tsk. I do not have any idea how the area of an atoll is measured -- land area only, or enclosed lagoon -- in the geographical community, and I doubt if we have a standard. However, looking at
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Most Internet hits agree with the first figure. I've also got another (printed) source that says "1248 km SW of Acapulco", but that seems too far. (And, astoundingly, my printed 1991 Britannica says 1300 miles!)
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There were 11 survivors as the picture shows.One of them was the wife of Arnaud. In 1978, Cousteau found her son, seen on the picture, and flew him to Clipperton where he was born. (See Cousteau's 1981 movie)
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article throws no light on it whatever (especially as it is not at all obvious that it could only be French). Is there any good reason why the text should not read simply "The island is a French possession"?
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Clipperton is a coral ring 7 miles round and 10 feet above water. The land on the other side is...the other side of the ring. Clipperton is also nicknamed "the lake in the middle of the ocean"
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should be determined by the first use. Before a recent edit (~11 hours ago), there was 1 instance of 'harbor' and 1 instance of 'harbours', which sounds like a toss-up to me. An editor (
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an island (or island system) consisting of a (more or less) circular reef which has grown around a volcano which is has subsided, which is exactly what Clipperton looks like to me.
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North American and Mexico. It was Operation Bougainville. The main coconut grove is still called "bois Bougainville" and concrete slabs show were the building were once erected.
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include mention of a 1725 expedition (and two refer to the 1825 visit by Morrell as the first confirmed landing). Absent any new reliable source for the claim, I will add it to
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The article suggests that the land crabs are introduced, but fails to say so, or to say they were native. How did they get to be the vegetation-destroying dominant animals?
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I 100% agree. Magellan did not even cross into the Northern Hemisphere until he was WELL West of Cliperton island. Who REALLY discovered Clipperton? It was NOT Magellan!
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can be used for overseas territories as there are permanent resident but that's not the case of this island. We could say Clipperton Island is a property of the state.
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on his voyage of discovery. It was on this voyage that Clipperton discovered Clipperton Island in 1705 in the eastern Pacific, 900 miles off the coast of Mexico.
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I don't believe Magellan came anywhere close to this island. After rounding Tierra del Fuego, his fleet sailed essentially west/northwest to the Philippines.
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If it's not an atoll, we ought to change the first sentence of the lede which says "Clipperton Island... is an uninhabited 9 km2 (3.5 sq mi) coral atoll...".
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Not sure about Cook and Clipperton. None of his trip as widely reported took him near Clipperton or even close. See map on this same media as a first hint:
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No...it is not Clipperton and will never be. The Exclusive Economic Zone of the island is as big as France and loaded with deep sea polymetallic nodules.
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I'm going to put in a different source, mainly as a stopgap until I can (hopefully) find something better. This one, at least, works and is not a blog...-
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There is a tremendous amount of information available on the island (in french only) from Jean-Louis Etienne's recent expedition (April 5th, 2005). See
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By and large, the french have no knowledge of the Clipperton Island in the first place, let alone use it as a reference for anything, so I guess not.
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Regarding the distance, the great circle distance is either 1151km or 1238km SW of Acapulco depending on which great circle calculator one is using.
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Nowhere in Dampier's autobiographic book on his trip is the island of Clipperton reported one way or another. Check out Google book, Dampier.
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It is said that Cook named the island for him and granted it to him. Clipperton later became a privateer, serving as mate under Captain
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are contradictory. I'm also drawing a blank on those two names given: Tejupan and Mancanilla (somewhere in Guerrero, presumably).
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as a base from which to stage his attacks and store loot and supplies, fortifying Clipperton Rock and expanding its cave network.
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The new addition "Only in 1855 it was claimed by France." contradicts what is said two sentences earlier. Please give citations!
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and later became captain of the Success under a different privateering syndicate, in which he also held under his command Captain
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The sentence is indeeed badly written if there is no explanation. According to the French article, it belongs to the French
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Mention of a French expedition lead by "M. Bocage" in 1725 is not able to be reliably sourced. It was added to the article
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which seems to just be an uncited blog. Can anyone find a citation for this? I suggest removal of that information...
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An agreement between the French government and what other party? I thought it was already a French possession in 1981.
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Clipperton Island is 2420 km NW of the Galapagos Islands (first para), 945 km SE of Socorro Island (first para under
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the light keeper and the ordeal of the women. Later he wrote his wife or daughter and told the story (Cousteau).
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The article's subject matter does not clearly favor US spelling over UK spelling, so I believe that the
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An excellent question. I'm wondering if it might be the difference between the following two scenerios:
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the island, land-wise. I'm not sure, of course, but I think that's what might have happened here. -
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area, while the 9 sq. km refers to the area of the atoll. Perhaps "area" needs to be more explicit?
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It looks like there's land in the background and it can't be Mexico. Is it really Clipperton?
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In his activities attacking Spanish targets on the west coast of the Americas, he used
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The land that you see behind the palm trees is likely the far side of the island.
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It lies about 965 km from Tejupan Point on Mancanilla Bay, Mexico,
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Cannot confirm this with a source in French; perhaps a legend.
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According to the NOAA it is. The picture can be found here.
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The text on the map File:Carteactuelle.jpg is in French. --
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1,120 km southwest of Mexico, at 10°17' N, 109°13' W.
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Talk:Clipperton Island
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McKay
10:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Clarion Island
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05:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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09:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
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http://www.clipperton.fr/incagen.html?oublies.htm~main
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