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in the above equation? Say the time is 5:24. We can't just calculate the 5. We need to immediately and NOT separately include the minutes i.e include the 24 minutes. Because 5:24 means the hour handle is NOT exactly at 5 now. Since it's 24 min past then the hour handle would have
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I guess we were busy editing the page at the same time (sorry), i only later realised it needed more editing. My idea is to add degrees everywhere, also I wanted to make the formula's to be more readable by non-mathicatically proficient readers (add \times where there are multiplications, remove
1031: 578: 1400: 366: 507: 917: 1384:{\displaystyle {\begin{aligned}\Delta \theta &=\vert \theta _{\text{hr}}-\theta _{\text{min.}}\vert \\&=\vert 0.5^{\circ }\times (60H+M)-6^{\circ }\times M\vert \\&=\vert 0.5^{\circ }\times (60H-11M)\vert .\end{aligned}}} 821: 1567: 1783:. Anyone can come here and file for deletion of the entire article if the source is not available or if it doesn't directly support the content. Anyway, the new version okay. You forgot to adjust the fnal example, so I 567: 1190:{\displaystyle {\begin{aligned}\Delta \theta &=\vert \theta _{\text{hr}}-\theta _{\text{min.}}\vert \\&=\vert {\frac {1}{2}}(60H+M)-6M\vert \\&=\vert {\frac {1}{2}}(60H-11M)\vert \end{aligned}}} 419: 1014: 729:{\displaystyle {\begin{aligned}\Delta \theta &=\vert {\frac {1}{2}}(60\times 2-11\times 20)\vert ^{\circ }\\&=\vert {\frac {1}{2}}(120-220)\vert ^{\circ }\\&=50^{\circ }\end{aligned}}.} 1572: 1405: 1211: 1036: 583: 140: 1543:{\displaystyle {\begin{aligned}\Delta \theta &=\vert 0.5^{\circ }\times (60\times 2-11\times 20)\vert \\&=\vert 0.5^{\circ }\times (120-220)\vert \\&=50^{\circ }.\end{aligned}}} 959: 1933: 238:
edit which I undid too. Both edits left the article in a inconsistent state. Adding the degree units seems a bit awkward, so I propose to leave all units out altogether. -
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Lots of content seems to have been deleted. I've reverted back to an older edit. Apologies if I've accidently deleted some content.
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I removed this from the article and posted it here. It should be in the discussion not formally placed in an article. --
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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I don't think we need to worry about the original source, it just needs to be consistent and understandable for
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add degrees where appropriate (so where it is inside the formula it just stays where it was before.
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Replace 1/2 everywhere with 0.5 (because 0.5 is used in the text just above it)
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unneeded detail, but do add ^{\circ} where it is about degree. and that ilk.
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moved a little bit away or a little bit past from the 5 O'Clock mark.
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No :) I will rewrite the article tomorow to how I wanted it:
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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