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Talk:Cross-strait relations

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507: 1771:(mostly) lowercase "strait". On the other hand, I must point out that the two Ngrams links provided above are far from conclusive – in 1997 they show the lowercase "strait" far above any other option, but the most recent numbers are quite close together. I guess I support this, but I don't like the way the Ngrams evidence has been presented above. I certainly oppose any move to add disambiguators lile "Taiwan Strait" as unnecessary; "cross-strait relations" is a longstanding phrase and the common name of this topic. 402: 497: 476: 966: 876: 323: 392: 371: 761: 301: 218: 340: 822: 1448:- Both events are widely covered and recognised as different events, similar to the way the Taiwan Strait crisises are talked about. I think they are too significant to just merge into something general like Cross-Straight relations. None of the Taiwan Straight Crisises have been merged into the Cross-Straight relations page, because they were significant as well. 1429:- These are time/date-specific event, same like the three Taiwan Strait Crisis which had happened before. Each of this individual event is really notable. Of course in a bigger picture, they are part of Cross-Strait Relations, but it can have its own standalone article because they are very notable (you can easily find hundred of news covering these events). 924: 248: 892: 701: 670: 1024: 602: 581: 833: 811: 800: 789: 1459:- What others have said. Both events are quite notable and merit being documented in their own articles. These are date-specific, significant events on-par with the significance of the prior Taiwan Strait Crises. The August 2022 episode alone is even ranked as being just as or more consequential than the 1463:
of 1995-96 by multiple sources. There's far too much information that could be documented from both events to be effectively redirected into a small section within this page. If there is to be a merger, the 2022 and 2023 "military exercise" articles should be consolidated into one article, instead of
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If you google or scholar.google "cross strait relations" you will find "china taiwan relations" in the resulting link titles and descriptions. If you google or scholar.google "china taiwan relations" you will find "cross strait relations" in the resulting link titles and descriptions. However, the
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It is reasonable to say that the vast majority of people who were born and raised in english speaking countries, who en.wikipedia.org services, refer to this island in question as "Taiwan". My hunch is that the vast majority of these people do not confer political meaning to the name "Taiwan". How
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Can we change the title from "Cross-Strait relations" to "Taiwan-China relations." I feel that the title should contain the word "Taiwan" because it is an article about Taiwan and it helps get the point across that Taiwan is an independent country and not apart of mainland China.
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I feel these can all be their own independent wikis. I disagree that there are no "notable" aspects to these pages, since it’s pretty obvious that these events, which involve tensions between two countries, is pretty notable to be its own page.
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They need the context of the article/book that the term in used in. If there is no context (such as the title used in a general encyclopedia, and not a Taiwan-topics encyclopedia), there is ambiguity. In the context of the Strait of Malacca:
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mapping from "cross strait relations" to "china taiwan relations" occurs much more frequently than it does in the other direction. This suggests that for english speakers, "china taiwan relations" is actually the more common expression.
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Knowledge (XXG) relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Knowledge
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show that the term "cross-straight relations" is not consistently capitalized in sources. Previous discussion indicate that vague shortened names should not be capitalized merely to indicate significance – see
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these should all use "cross-Taiwan Strait relations"/etc. The way it looks now, it should be about the relations between Singapore and Malaysia. Or England and France. Or Alaska/Siberia. Or Denmark-Norway --
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The english Knowledge (XXG) article for "Republic of China" redirects to "Taiwan". According to that article, this "colloquial" name first appeared in the Book of Sui around 636. According to
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Other people may perceive the proposed title implies that Taiwan is a part of China trying to gain independence. Yet other people may perceive the proposed title implies something else.
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and its supporters do not claim that their island of residence is China. Your assertion that "both claim to be China" does not represent the views of all inhabitants of that island.
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doesn't apply here. Strait wasn't capitalized for emphasis, it was capitalized because it was seen as a proper noun. However, the other discussions cited are relevant, as is
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merge as proposed, given that both are well-developed, covering important topics; alternative organization is possible, but no consensus for any particular proposal.
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Why don't you think it's notable? Seems widely covered, internationally. In any case, this is not the best merge target. I'd suggest merging the 2022 page to
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has any thoughts about keeping all the good content which is already there while mildly rearranging more of the focus to be on the
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would one argue that "Taiwan" is not a commonly recognized, apolitical name among english speakers in english-speaking countries?
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters/Archive 13#Use of capitals in a shortened title
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The Cross-Strait Traffic in the Straits of Malacca and Singapore: An Impediment to Safe Navigation?
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on April 1, 2024. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Manual of Style/Archive 227#Capitalization of "the Strait", "the Bay", etc.
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very specifically. Suspect they could be merged somewhere (or together? De-disambiguate
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but it's also mentioned by other sources. I think it's worth to mention in article.
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A news item involving Cross-strait relations was featured on Knowledge (XXG)'s
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The main points of opposition and their resolutions are as follows:
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On 8 February 2022, it was proposed that this article be
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My instinct was to strongly oppose this, but it seems
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