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The Lada Niva is mentioned in the article as a cross-over SUV. This is impossible, since Niva was never a SUV in the first place. There is nothing sporty about it, Niva is a true cheap off-road vehicle that happens to be monococque design. Also, a SUV is something you are afraid to bring to terrain,
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I don't agree with the term "crossover SUV", because an SUV itself is a "crossover" between a car and a truck. Therefore, it is a redundant term. Here is my reasoning: an SUV can be either truck-based OR car-based. This is the very reason the term SUV was invented - because more car-like vehicles
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