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are two different article subjects last I checked. Cupcakes are usually baked. Which is one of the many reasons they are not the same as a cake in a mug, the other reasons being the top of a cupcake, the way they are often frosted, and their being put in papers. Maybe we should murge mug in with the
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The first source you cite (which probably isn't considered reliable) is a "chocolate cake recipe", NOT a cupcake recipe. The second one shows that you can make a play on words calling a mug in a cake, a cup-cake, even though it's not one. So both cites support that a mug-in-a-cake is a type of cake
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Hi I'm the guy that has been adding the CNN articles. I feel that it is important to talk about the current trends in cupcakes and how so many people are buying them and cupcake stands and truck are popping up all across the nation. What can I do to get this information in the page? I'm not direct
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You can criticize my logic, but you've yet to provide a single source equating a cake in a mug with a cupcake. Several sources suggest both are types of cakes. But so far we only have the origins of the cupcake and your original research and strongly held opinion to go on for the connection. Since
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It seems that the merge is going to happen which is fine although I disagree with this outcome. Please whoever does it make sure that mug in a cake is given it's own section heading and redirected there so that the content is not just lost and mixed in, and so it can be expanded in future. Thanks.
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As stated before, just because you can produce a recipe does not mean it is notable, only verifiable. There have been dozens of microwave cakes over the years, so that is not notable; cakes have been made in ramekins for decades, even centuries, so that is not notable. Show me something on Food
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Yeah CoM, that is the most twisted piece of logic I have yet to see on WP. A cup cake is a type of cake. A cake in a cup is a type of cupcake. WaId has shown that others have also deduced that point. You have yet to prove your point.
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it met all requirements for notability on its own. The way it is cooked is notable, it in a cup! That's far different then something common such as a microwave.
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