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considering that the criminal justice system operates on a premise it is better to let a guilty man free than for one innocent person to be convicted of something they didn't do). Here is an infographic from StatsCanada, award-winning organization and world leader for accuracy, in a country that is perhaps the most progressive in the whole world, and who stopped reporting this statistic 2004-2016 due to pressure from feminist lobbies, and has created a new metric that reports unfounded allegations only in cases where the "police officers investigated the allegation and proved it could not have been true." Hope you read that right. In other words, they are not to count the instances where the charge was simply dropped for lack of evidence, or where the alleged victim dropped charges, or where the state couldn't proceed, or where the accused played trickery with good lawyers, no, the figure I'm about to share with you is only in instances where the police actually investigated the claim to such a length that they not only didn't find evidence sufficient to proceed with the allegation, but where they actually disproved the allegation, i.e. it
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travel expenses doesn't necessarily (or even probably) count as him being paid. If the money is being spent on valid business expenses (usually tax deductible, but not always) then we cannot say or imply, on that basis alone, that Elam himself is being paid. An employee, officer, and even an owner is not the same "person" as the company to which they are connected. FWIW, I don't care about what the facts are here; I have no connection with anything being discussed, and as far as this comment is concerned I don't *care* about anything being discussed. But I do care about
Knowledge (XXG) and that whatever facts it states *are* indeed facts. So pony up people -- sources, good ones, or the "with the exception of the founder" is getting cut.
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real world and yet this article suggests otherwise contrary to fact. I'm trying to avoid the political element as much as possible and keep to NPOV, and as much for that reason as any other, I don't see that the public is well served by what I know (and what few others can know) to be misrepresentations about the organisation.
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I agree with both your observation and your suspicions. I'd fix its deficiencies but I would not be allowed to. Anybody connected with the org (including myself) has CoI, and few but AVfM's opponents have any interest in contributing to the article. No surprise that it's not as neutral as it could
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concerns, but since the article is on AVFM and not Elam per se, I'll leave it as-is for discussion, for the time being. But we need better sourcing -- and it's going to need to be specific. If Elam is being paid, exactly how? Is it salary? Distributions? What? Things like AVFM paying his AVFM-related
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The source does support this point, but it is a single sentence contextualized it as part of the "red pill moment" jargon used by MRMs. Without that context, it's just a free-floating bit of weirdness, and even with that context, I'm not clear what it says about this organization. I'm fully aware of
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In any event, the article gives a misleading impression of the financial situation of the organisation. I would like to clear that up because apart from being misleading, it is a common criticism that MRAs don't do anything in the real-world. MRAs say they/we don't have the money to do much in the
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Has this been resolved yet? The above raised a concern about the implication that Elam received an income from a particular source where the commenter said that was not the case. Now, almost a year later, the About section still implies that Paul Elam is paid by AVFM. Seems to me that is either the
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them all is fine). But again, reasonable minds..., so I've left that pretty much as it was (having moved Potok up into the SLPC paragraph). In its entirety, the above is just by way of suggestion (and probably worth no more than you paid for it). As to whether any of it should make its way into
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