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plotzed all over the page that I was intensively working on. I didn't strip anything -- it was your action here that has (a) driven me off the page and (b) added nothing but garbage to a super clean, lean page. If you read the prior thread carefully you would see that the archived links exists permanently (we think) so even if they aren't on the page, they have been archived for posterity and future use. I shake my head at your behavior here. You obviously get some sort of pleasure at behaving in this way. It is the opposite of AGF, it's aggressively rude, it's patronizing (who exactly is this royal we in "our citations," that I am so against, me, someone seriously obsessed with citations?!?) -- and you drive good editors away from contributing. As I've said before, you are a picture perfect example of what is wrong with En
Knowledge (XXG) editors. Just know that I see what you're doing, I have your number, and whether you are trolling here or what, your behavior is an embarrassment to the community. I recommend re-evaluating your approach to editing. It is not collegial. It adds nothing. It is harassment and scolding. Unproductive. It is a zero value add. Yet again you win in abject incivility. --
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