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Howland". In all probability they would have landed safely. The problem was finding it, not reaching it. But since I can't quote a Reliable Source that puts the above together, I suppose it is Original Research and can't go in the article. Too bad. It still seems strange to me to have a sentence that implies that "they didn't find Howland Island" is only a supposition. What scenarios are there where she finds Howland but doesn't reach it?
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In reference 66 the text says that Amelia owned the Avro Avian. It does not say that she purchased it. This article says that Amelia purchased it and cites 66. Mary Heath may have given it to her or her husband may have. The references don't say. In the case of her sleep, there is no reference to
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What does "reach" actually mean? In this context, to me it means "be able to go the distance". At 07:42 Earhart transmitted: "We must be on you, but cannot see you...". Either this transmission or one a bit a bit later was described as "maximum loudness", implying they genuinely were "close" to
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