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What's really upsetting is the fact that no one really try to explain you anything unless you're being a little more vocal than majority of most recent users. Anyways, not a big deal anymore. Now, my answers. Keep changing posters as they are released do not make a lot of sense to me. In the case of
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page, I have always been told by more experienced users that tweets should be replaced by media articles as soon as possible, because they are much better sources. Which is why I am following this rule, and chose to support it (and continue to). Also, when we check the history of this page, it is
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Sorry, I've only just noticed this message. I'll put the red text in then on this page. By the way 98.113.156.38, why don't you make the Cult lede less bland IYO. If you do that, I will see it and if it needs tweaking, I can do that, but as the page is not semi-protected, you can make
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Several editors are now saying that "the red baby poster" is the key art, but just by typing "ahs apocalypse poster" into Google, I can see 3 different posters with a red baby on them. So which one? And without a proper source saying somehow the major poster is the red baby one, it's
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be uploaded, then a discussion should take place. If you had been the one to upload the new poster first, other editors (myself included) would then have to discuss it if we believed it needed to be changed. How, for example, would you have dealt with
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