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Mandarin is not an isolating language, because many (if not most) of its words are composed of two or more morphemes. It is analytic because it relies on adding extra words to denote things like aspect, relation, and so on. (Compare to a language like Korean, which denotes
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What is the article intended to be about? It is titled "Analytic language", and most of the text is about analytic languages, but begins by defining isolating languages, which it (by the way) explains are a different concept from analytic languages. If they are different concepts, they should have
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Both sentences are incorrect--the second one is a hypercorrection based on what the correct version of the first sentence would be. For example, many
English-speakers were once told that it was incorrect to say "You and me ought to learn better English"; the correct form is "You and I...." They
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Upon closer inspection, it appears that both of the examples at the end of the article are incorrect. In fact, I can't understand what is being said with the entire sentence. Are the examples supposed to be incorrect? The author of this last segment needs to make his point a little clearer.
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Wort - Wörter - Worte'" no, I'm afraid you are incorrect, as a matter of fact, the plural form depends on its actual meaning. here: when "Wort" as "word(unit of a sentence)", its plural form is "Wörter"; however when it's used as "saying(something man said)", its plural form is "Worte". here
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the suoyou and dou here looks to me to be redundant as the sentence could do with just either of them still be correct (in
Mandarin and not Cantonese). what's done here is similar to people using zhǐ(只) + éryǐ(而已), e.g. "wǒ zhǐ huì zhōngwén éryǐ", where either can be used alone.
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Agreed that the "saluted Martin and she" sentence doesn't make any sense. The subject of the sentence is "the shipmaster". This concept is hard to grasp for native
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I agree. "The shipmaster saluted Martin and she" is an example of incorrect English that appears to be hypercorrected. The correct sentence is "The shipmaster saluted Martin and her." I'll change it now.
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