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Several other pages also should be altered in the same way for clarity, so there's no hurry, but an article about any breed of goat should have the word goat in its title. I don't mind waiting for comment as there are plenty of other ways to improve this article. I tagged one bit for citation, but
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itself lists, in a centralized location, all ongoing requested moves. There is no reason to host them on a wikiproject page; doing so would be highly irregular, and to many it would look like an attempt to actively canvass the project's editors to gang-vote. Your continued personal-aspersion
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demonstrates that what the subject is actually called in
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some other other format better, which you demand "shall not be" deviated from, and assert without evidence or understanding that it must be good, no matter how many times on how many pages the policy failures of that approach are pointed out to you. Why is that?
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was and we had a five member (including me) family discussion that was comical. When I informed them it was a pigeon and showed the article page four members agreed that it was confusing to not add pigeon to the article name.
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because they might otherwise be mistakenly thought to be kinds of hair-dye, or paint colours or butterflies or ethnicities or qualities of marble), then these pages should conform to it; but that doesn't seem very
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