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the "early life," section, I saw that the source of her bio material was tagged as needing a better cite, but in fact, the still-retained material was essentially self-published. Then I looked at how long she adhered to 9/11 "truther" beliefs. The attack occurred when she was only 16, but it took her more than 13 additional years to realize that narrative to which she had adhered was bunk. She worked for years for a network that is specifically designed to promote fictional views of geopolitics/"fake news" crafted in the interests of the owner, the Russian state, that are also bunk. That's quite a delay in the eventual advent of a "moment of clarity." It reflects what appears to be a diminished capacity of, or resistance to, critical thinking. This doesn't mean that she's usually wrong, or a bad person, and I don't think either would be an apt description of her and she is obviously talented. So, in the absence of more persuasive arguments, I'm strongly in favor of keeping that in this article's lede. It's very basic. It seems to be who she is.
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conspiracy theory' list compiled by The Daily Telegraph. The list was ranked by following and traction." The article still makes it sound like Martin was a key figure in this movement, not a random adherent of a popular movement. If we are going to add "Grassy Knoll adherent" to every relevant Knowledge (XXG) biography, lot of work ahead. Also, no idea why 9/11 Conspiracy Theory and 9/11 Truth are separate articles.
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did not remove such sources and much of this happened before my edits. I am only bringing this article to be reassessed because of genuine concerns regarding edits between the original GA article and what is currently posted. Since I can now see the original sources presented, I may be able to add them back and fix some issues.----
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revert and rollback all your changes and to restore the last good version. However, because I am no longer active here, I will not be participating in any changes moving forward. I just wanted to comment on your poor edits and bad justification for this reassessment and to observe that you should not be allowed to edit this page.
2424:. It is the reason the became notable in the first place, it is still often mentioned when she is discussed in RS, and above all, it is significantly covered in the body of the article and therefore should be summarized in the lead. The lead is not just for current career and current views, it is for summary of the body. 673: 2931:. It should remain in the article. BuzzFeed and the Daily Telegraph certainly fall within the category of tabloid journalism, but are still sourced in the article. For consistency, the quote will be added back. The quote is relevant to Martin's career at RT since it illuminates a pattern of disturbing behavior. 1632:: There is no consensus to delist the article. One editor supports delisting, one editor opposes delisting, and one editor is neutral. There is no consensus that the article does not meet the good article criteria, so this defaults to the article's retaining good article status. Closing per request at 2575:
The reason why many sources need to be cited is because some editors will inevitably claim (a) Martin did not promote 9/11 conspiracy theories, and (b) Martin's promotion of conspiracy theories is UNDUE. Because some editors are incapable of editing this encyclopedia in good faith and in a consistent
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I was wholly unfamiliar with the subject of this article, until solicited today for comment. I presume it was a bot that generated that solicitation. I read many of the comments on this talk page, but felt there was no preponderance of the evidence supporting either position. Going to the article, in
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2) That the information mostly predated Ms Martin's journalistic career. I think this is true, but I was unable to make the connection between this fact and the decision to exclude the information from the lede. Ms Martin espoused and promulgated the view that 9/11 was an inside job for many years,
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People are not "theorists". They maybe have theories or suscribe to theories. I suggest it is an infringement of neutrality to give such prominence to year old views a journalist has since relinquished in a living biography by denigrating them in the lead as a "conspiracy theorist". If we follow the
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Weight argument is stronger than RS argument. Alegemeiner is not a tabloid source and is considered reliable by RSP. However, the Wilmington analogy is not a good one: Algemeiner is one of the largest US Jewish-focused news outlets, and local interest to Jews is not comporable to local interest to a
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Whenever I see multiple footnotes, my assumption is that editors are using multiple weak sources to compensate for the lack of any good sources. Your comment that it is necessary to show weight doesn't make sense. You need to prove that on the talk page not in the article, otherwise lots of articles
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AM is currently doing the rounds for her new film - 'Gaza Fights For Freedom'. This challenges the mainstream narrative that Israel is currently being attacked by an oppressive and violent regime from Palestine. Please bear this in mind with edits, as the more she tours and exposes what Palestine is
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4) That there is a violation of BLP. I was unable to give this point much weight. WP:BLP enjoins editors to remove unsourced or poorly-sourced negative information about living people. There is nothing in BLP or anywhere else in our content policies that requires us to remove negative information
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Discussion closers on Knowledge (XXG) are expected to look beyond the numbers and weigh the arguments in the light of Knowledge (XXG)'s policies and guidelines. The matter is intricate, and involves the interaction between quite a number of those policies and guidelines, so I would like to describe
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please let us know what is going on with this reassessment. As of today 17 June 2019, the template at the top of the article says "The good article status of this article is being reassessed by the community to determine whether the article meets the good article criteria. Please add comments to the
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interested in this reassessment is just an attempt to remove its quality rating. I therefore have zero interest in discussing anything further with you, and it’s this kind of extreme incompetence and blatant POV pushing that has led me to lose all interest in Knowledge (XXG). Don’t ping me again.
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I came here to make the same point as the original poster. Martin making a handful of comments around 14 years ago is definitely overkill to make it such a prominent point here. It's clearly a bad-faith position being used to simply write off her entire career as a "crazy 9/11 conspiracy theorist".
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Given she renounced such views before becoming known I'd say it's undue. She was young and angry about an unjust war. And I don't think being a "9/11 conspiracy theorist" was ever considered a career path. A brief mention in the body is one thing, but including it in the lede is something else. The
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For two reasons: (1) This is something that reliable sources frequently note when they cover her (and it's not as if RS are giving this person a lot of coverage): AP, NY Times, Washington Post, National Post, New Republic, Buzzfeed News, Newsweek, Huffington Post, Daily Beast and so on. (2) Besides
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1) That the information should be added to the lede because it is reliably-sourced and forms a major part of the article. One editor disputed whether the information was reliably-sourced. I checked this point carefully, and I am confident that this editor is mistaken. The disputed information is
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to accuse me of having information "discarded". This is not the case. Looking at the article when it originally was granted GA status, there were some different sources used, for example RT's discovery of Martin and the information that was not originally only sourced by a college research paper. I
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The text read, "In 2014 New York Times columnist Robert Mackey contrasted Martin's critical remarks on the Russian occupation of Crimea with her conviction "that the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were part of a government conspiracy." That's clearly analysis rather than reporting. He's comparing what
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Some newspapers, magazines, and other news organizations host online columns they call blogs. These may be acceptable sources if the writers are professionals, but use them with caution because blogs may not be subject to the news organization's normal fact-checking process. If a news organization
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says, "he was a reporter and columnist for the New York Times, where he anchored the newspaper’s breaking news blog, The Lede, for five years, and wrote a news analysis column, Open Source." The article comes under "Editorial commentary, analysis and opinion pieces," which are not rs for articles.
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In this section there was a quote from Martin apparently saying that she says RT gave her the greatest editorial freedom , ( can't imagine why ), but the reference was inaccurate, and useless, and how the hell is her saying how great RT is , anything to do with 'Reception'. Why has this article
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This RfC concerns Abby Martin, a US pundit who began her career as a 9/11 truther, but who (much later) disavowed this position. The question posed by the RfC is superficially simple -- whether or not to mention her status as a former 9/11 truther in the lede. Editors do not agree, and purely on
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Mackey in the NYT is not an opinion piece and is completely a reliable source, giving a in-depth background to what's in the news. The Crimea sentence in our article is pretty opaque, and could be clarified or removed; the article could be used more robustly in relation to her 9/11 views, showing
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The Spotify version of the Martin on the Joe Rogan show is a primary source. The other citations were: Tablet, HuffPost, TSL, NYT and USA Today, which are all, I believe, RSs. Daily Banter I'm not familiar with; that looks like the weakest, but it is attributed and takes up very little room here.
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3) That to include the information in the lede would be UNDUE. This is a reference to one of Knowledge (XXG)'s three core content policies, and in context I understood it as a concern that although the information is reliably-sourced, the reliable sources are not unbiased. Wikipedians sometimes
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policy because you don't know whether the sources are acceptable. The default should be to remove and discuss. The major issue was weight. We don't use niche publications for stories that have been ignored in major mainstream media. While they may be of interest to their readers, they are not of
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that you appear to have discarded. So, not only are both of your claims false, you yourself appear to be responsible for the current state of the article, which makes your attempt at reassessing it both duplicitous and in bad faith. The solution, therefore, is not to reassess the article, but to
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I stand by my comments, more so based on your reply to my concerns. How could you possibly request a GA reassessment without doing the bare due diligence, namely, checking the originally reviewed version? You are clearly biased against Martin based on your previous edits, and your claim to be
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Recent changes seem helpful, but "9/11 conspiracy theorist" is still not Martin's Career - just like JFK/Grassy Knoll or Moon Landing Hoaxer is personal belief, not Career. Abby Martin is not even mentioned on the "9/11" page, but this is: "In 2008, 9/11 conspiracy theories topped a 'greatest
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need to construct impartial articles from biased sources. I gave that concern full weight, and I concur that the disputed information should not be presented in Knowledge (XXG)'s voice. I note a later section of the same policy, at WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, describes how to deal with biased sources.
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The edit controversies you refer to in the above began with you and another user edit warring and destabilizing the article due to your own POV pushing. Additionally, the content you describe as “fabricated information in the article not supported by sources” is, in fact, real, accurate, and
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Or we can take this up with the BLP noticeboard. Honestly, you think the description as a conspiracist belongs in the lede, while her board membership does not? What is the distinction, exactly? They are BOTH covered in the article. In any case, the description has to go. From
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source says, "Later its D.C.-based host, Abby Martin, was praised for denouncing Russia's invasion of Ukraine on air and proclaiming her editorial independence from the network (later still, and this is not totally related, it was revealed that she's an avid 9/11
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Unfortunately with articles like this a certain core of others, there's one particular editor who considers themselves the ultimate authority on all things WP so this will just end up as an endless cycle of editing and the same person instantly reverting it
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The DNI report that she's rebutting did not claim that her RT show was active during the 2016 election - it explicitly says the show was created in the run-up to the 2012 election. Her 'rebuttal' suggests that the DNI report said something that it didn't.
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With apologies to Activist, I feel the need to challenge his arithmetic. In fact 9/11 took place five days after Ms Martin's 18th birthday. I think it's material that she was an adult when she formed and promulgated her truther
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a large amount of text - some critical, some complimentary - removed for being from blogs or otherwise badly sourced. I'm not clear which sources are seen as problematic. Can we discuss case by case rather than delete en block?
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But this is in the "Reception" section. The NYT is by far the most mainstream source currently cited, so if we are looking for how they are widely portrayed it seems more pertinent than Millenial Magazine or ColdType?
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with her conviction "that the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were part of a government conspiracy." I would rewrite this to make it clearer that that it is Mackey's opinion that the two connected and contradictory.
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In fact all these articles are about her criticism of the invasion and her trutherism. While I am not implying a connection between the two, the fact is they were reported at the same time in the same articles.
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There is a question mark over using HuffPuff for politics. Not sure whether our usage here fits into that category. The article does not appear to be from a "contributor" or "editorial partner". Any thoughts?
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This information repeats what is already in the article. "9/11 conspiracy theories" already says that Martin, "was part of the 9/11 Truth movement, starting her own 9/11 Truther group...." The next section,
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You didn't just remove that, you first removed the paragraph addressing neoMcCarthyism and non-corporate journalism. Moreover, those quotes refer to subjects highlighted in the podcast introductory text:
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There are several RS that have covered her involvement in the 9/11 conspiracy theories movement, with one entire subsection devoted to it in the body, in addition to one third of the 'reception' section.
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I know nothing about the Daily Banter. It doesn't even seem to have a Knowledge (XXG) page!! It has been used 59 times on Knowledge (XXG) but, as far as I can see, its reliability has not been discussed.
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1. Our statement "Martin has been criticized for her past support of the 9/11 truth movement" is sourced to this blog and The Daily Banter. Probably should be removed unless there are other appropriate
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5) That the Manual of Style encourages adding the information to the lede. The MOS is a guideline, and therefore carries additional weight, although it cannot overrule the core content policy cited by
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To be clearer, it seemed to me the sources were reliable, so the material did not appear to violate BLP policy. Which of the sources do you consider too niche for the material to have due weight?
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For the violation of BLP explained by me earlier. Plus the editor trying to include this appears to have an agenda of including only negative info, so it might also be a violation of neutrality.
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it's not a random quote but a direct response to the accusations that you added. Normally denial of accusations by subjects is added and not that denials are always primary sources of opinion.
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The material should not be added to an article when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism. When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources.
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Basically, the text adds nothing to the article and is confusing. It implies Martin had a show when she was in the Truth movement. It's not clear why Buzzfeed should be mentioned in text.
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interest to the general public. It is not the role of articles to correct the failure of reliable sources to amplify information that Knowledge (XXG) editors consider to be important.
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And no, we absolutely do not need to insinuate to readers that RS are 'going after her' for daring to criticize Russia's invasion of Crime or whatever it is that you're suggesting.
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The source used says, "Martin, an antiwar activist and artist, has also been involved in the 9/11 truth movement, and her show has frequently showcased other conspiracy theories."
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I will not ping you, but I admit that this is my first time requesting a GA reassessment. It was only done purely because I noticed multiple issues (mainly missing sources and
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I made some edits to the article. There is still a tag asking for a better source, and I agree the source is not great. The statement does not seem very controversial though.
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Are you referring to these sources: a Spotify episode, Tablet Magazine, HuffPuff, The Student Life, a blog from Robert Mackey at the NYTimes, The Daily Banter, and Issuu?
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Algemeiner is tabloid journalism and has a well-known ideological bent when it comes to Israel. Even so, I don't see how the quote is relevant to Martin's career at RT.
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Issuu is actually a magazine called ColdType, and I have no idea of the reliability but as it's a banal compliment it's hard to see how it violates the BLP policy.
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But this is a BLP, so the BLP noticeboard is far more appropriate. Other than Snoogy, nobody seems to think fringe theories are relevant here in the first place.
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Are we accepting the Joe Rogan reference? There are all sorts of quotes from the Joe Rogan show that I would like to start adding to Knowledge (XXG) if allowed.
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It actually doesn't seem to be a part of her career at all. Most of it happened before she was a professional journalist. And as a journalist, she disavowed it.
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the journalist discusses Hillary Clinton’s 'neoMcCarthyism'" and "on her experiences as an independent journalist in a culture that silences dissenting voices
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my analysis of the debate in quite a lot of detail. I apologise for giving a closing statement that's nearly as long as the debate that gave rise to it!
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As I said above, how the text currently reads is opaque and unhelpful; we should clarify or delete. But I don't see why we shouldn't include analysis.
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that's immediately followed by a string of inline citations to reliable sources that directly support what we say. BLP is not a whitewasher's charter.
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says "if a news organization publishes an opinion piece in a blog, attribute the statement to the writer", which we have almost but not quite done.
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Martin herself is a 9/11 Truther, calling the government's version of the events "propaganda", and has accused Israel of using "Hitler's methods".
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her criticism of the annexation of Crimea, her involvement in the 9/11 Truther movement is covered at greatest length in the body of the article.
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I suggest you take time to think this out, because I don't think these changes would harm any meaning, but would merely make the reading clearer.
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People who push conspiracy theories are conspiracy theorists. If you disagree, you can start a RfC or consult with the Fringe noticeboard.
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principled manner, it's sadly the case that it's often necessary to cite a million sources to fend off these bad faith challenges.
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reverted with the notation: "restore rs content. i'm fine with this being here. but it can also be moved to a section on her show."
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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.
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If anyone has any questions or objections to raise, please bring this to my talk page in the first instance. I hope this helps.—
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_302#Algemeiner_Journal_&_The_Jewish_News_Syndicate
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Daily Banter: Probably not reliable and incident it mentions probably not noteworthy as no other coverage. Support removal.
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reliably-sourced, and I concur that, if it meets Knowledge (XXG)'s content policies and guidelines, it should be included.
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After weighing the arguments against the policies and guidelines in this way, I conclude that the disputed information
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got a green mark saying its good. It looks rubbish. And why was the Liz Wahl quote removed from this section which
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Delaware town. At any rate, it looks like other sources mentioned this and/or cited Algemeiner, showing weight.
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It is not up to editors to analyze responses by subjects and determine if they are plausible. That violates OR.
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Indeed! This 'article' could have been written by her, it's so full of special pleading and tendentiousness.
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It is from HP UK, which I believe is considered more reliable than its US sibling. I'd support inclusion.
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On RT in February 2013, she commented that Israel uses "Hitler's methods" to sustain a "Jewish majority".
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The Huffpost article is about how Martin criticized the invasion, before mentioning she was a truther.
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she was vocal about it in public places, and she sought leadership roles in the 9/11 truther movement.
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The DT is a 'tabloid'? Oh, dear. I suppose the definition of 'tabloid' is anything you disagree with.
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source says that Martin has been in the news for criticizing the invasion has roots in Trutherism.
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A lot has been reverted or removed. I tried. I feel the lead is too short, but YMMV. All in all
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It is NOT robustly sourced. I did a google search for "9/11 Truther movement abby martin" ...
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Whenever someone says "It's clearly", one knows that they are selling a dogma, not fact.
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Dude, did you check the article and its references? New York Times, Atlantic, WaPo?
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Randomly plucked comments out of primary sources do not belong on Knowledge (XXG).
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says her show "investigated conspiracy theories related to water fluoridation."
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she is saying now with what she said over a decade ago in order to analyze her.
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not a single one of the sources that included such info is solid news agency.
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She was a 9/11 conspiracy theorist and RS have covered it. So should we.
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reassessment page. Date: 09:01, 16 February 2019 (UTC)" That links here.
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Should the lede describe her involvement in the 9/11 Truther movement?
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the numbers, the debate superficially appears to be inconclusive.
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pertinent to how her work was being received, its 'Reception'.
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This from The Lede not Open Source. Surely it's covered by
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That's a good idea. Let's see what someone else says.
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