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that is merely the opinion statement of one police officer/department. It's conceivable that we could work that information in somewhere, but it would need to be in the form "In 2010, a police commissioner from
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Hi, I do not have to discuss to add a sentence what exactly is said in the source just for the reason one of the user is Edit warring and undoing it. The changes which i am adding are well sourced and even the wordings do appear in the source. If some one wants that to be removed, please discuss here
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keeps deleting the contents related to the alleged connection with Nazeer, which is supported by valid references. This user has been filling the article with pro-Madani content for quite some time now. I have added more references now to re-enforce the statement. Please discuss here before deleting
1498:@Wasif I removed some para mistakely there and it was already reverted by Qwyrxian.I did it intentionally because you never discuss it and you are non-neutral there.Moreover you provide bogus warning on my talk page and removed info from two sources.First you read what sources really explain there.
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The phrasing you propose is fine for me, unless others object. It still shouldn't go into the lead--it's a phrase of one person (representing a department), with no other sources with a similar statement. We wouldn't put a similar statement about guilt in the lead, either. The lead states the fact
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First question: why did you remove the whole paragraph, containing several reliable sources, that starts with "In connection with the
Bangalore blast case, Police have presented phone records..."? Second, as for the other part, we cannot state it is a fact that he involvement is unproven, because
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Its less than a month with cn tag being placed there. Nowhere WP says that sentences with cn tag should be removed within a week or 2.But still am removing for now to STOP users like you from taking ownership for pushing your onse sided and biased POV.Nothing to make Hero of it. You want
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You seem to be blind to the fact that i added the part subversive activities in double quotes which is how it should be. You are the one doing POV pushing by adding titles such as "Fabricated allegation on
Coimbatore blast case" while the neutral one would be Coimbatore blast case trial. And stop
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Bengaluru police, the nexus between Madani and the other accused in the blasts was very strong. The accused have stated that they were in touch with Madani and have also outlined his role in the bombings. ... Apart from the confession of the other accused in the case, Madani's
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To wasif, Read what i wrote before replying, Tehelka indulged in an unethical practise and made the interview using a hiddem cam where the alleged witnesses were interviewed without asking their consent. This is not fair to add such a dubious source to proclaim the alleged innocence of a person
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Second:- Its not statement of an irrelevant person. The
Bangalore police commissioner is the head investigating authority of the case. The sentence "A police commissioner from benagluru..." will be a pure dilution of the fact. It would be neutral to write "According to Police commissioner of
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The persons mentioned in the report were interviewed without them being informed or asked for their consent, which is clearly unethical journalism. The report by
Tehelka is more like a PAID NEWS segment to exonerate madani who is accused in terrorist crimes. I reverted the tehelka claim of
1530:) 10:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC). ::I don't think any user above agree with you so dont tell me these fairy tales .your worshipping of madani doesn't help.plz explain why r u removed two reliable sources.I dont understand why are you try to hide facts,this is wiki not madani's blog.
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Well PDP was not banned, it was
Islamic Seva Sangh, I suggest you dont add anything unrelated to the bio of the person in question. What has narendra modi to do with this, well i guess every islamofascist hates to see their rival succedding while they wallow in their misery.
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Modi to be King of social media. But was stopped from adding that. Do a self analysis who is trying to create heros out of Fascists amd trying to push to WP. Its very common for people like you to blame co-editors with words like "Islamofascit". Least bothered about that.
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I have clearly mentioned already that i have removed since it is already discussed in detail with all valid references in the below section. If that has to be added in the header, then it should very clearly state that it is Unproven as mentioned by the investigating
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Why would you remove a short summary line from the lead "because it is discussed in detail in the section"? That is, in factt, the exact opposie of what you're supposed to do--the lead should contain a concise summary of what is covered in detail in the article.
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I am able to find atleast a source and its you who questioned its reliablity. But you never added any source and want your Guessing year (without any source) to be in WP which is a clear Vandalism. Please refrain from such activities to be avoid administrative
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does not talk about the involvement of the organization in the attack. It does not even establish, without reasonable doubt, the identity of the parties involved in the blast. From the link, the only inferences which can be drawn without indulging in
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I am trying to keep the neutrality by adding arguments from both the sides and by stating facts. But you are removing contents against Madani without even reading the references. Please add you comments here or it will be reverted.
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This can be reported to admin for any action. Moreover if you browse thru the talk page you can see the discussions which i have participated and agreed with consensus with other users. without doing that you just blame me
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Why do you keep on Deleting the Supreme court's divided observations on Madani's bail plea. You have repeatedly deleted Justice Katju's findings even after explanation. So i couldn't find an appropriate word other than
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Bengaluru, Madani's involvement is unproven yet".This is surely not a minor note until he is convicted by the court. No officer dares to say this when the matter is in the court. This is never trivial.
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You cant add a dubious statement by a person and there is no rule that you have to wait a month to remove such instances of puffery. Dont turn this page into your personal page for hero worshipping
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CBE blast - When court says, the person has no connection with the blast, then what do you call the allegation? as per your reference 6 (your version) its a politicaly motivated hidden agenda.
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yoU added a dubious year and asked me for source. Don't assume that people in WP are fools to make false accusations. be constructive in Editing and adding year and then accuse others.
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If you have better evidence to substantiate that Madani was born in 1956, then do add it. That will settle the issue. Please do not change the year blankly without giving any citation.
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It creates a false image as if PDP was responsible for Babri Masjid Demolition and so banned. So its quite referable to mention all the other outfits which were banned along with it.
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Nazeer's connection - read the heading of the reference properly. Don't just go blind to push your biased POV. Its alleged on Sufiya and not on Abdul Nazer. That too an allegation.
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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When Madani was connected with Nazeer, was he in LeT.? Please add from the media dumps which you have pulled in.
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Please STOP repeating this and do discuss before you revert/delete/vandalize/push your POV in the article.
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Dasooqiyathul muhamamdiyya is His organisation. → Agreed, this is not a change done by me. Will change it.
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Presently busy, not have enough time,will tell you where you were wrong and biased.History speaks not me.
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Ok agreed. Let that be false instead of fabricated.
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