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old orthography they wrote the word for 'all' as 'заигьы', in the new orthography they write it as 'зегьы'. We can't know for sure, since the only updated orthography is in Abkhaz, but that would explain the discrepancy of why in some places 'е' is used instead of 'aи', specially in nouns. The orthography changes the vowels and consonants only in some contexts, here are some I've noticed:
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he generalises it saying it's for simplification. I want to argue that the vowel 'ә' isn't as high as , and would be a better description for the sound in general. In the book "Грамматика абхазского языка: фонетика и морфология", they make it very clear that the ы in Abkhaz, and the ы in
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Also there's a problem, I've spent some time analysing, reading and listening to Abkhaz, and not all realisations of /aj/, /ja/ are actually a long , same for and being a long . The new orthography, laid be
Kaslandzia 2005, seems to be phonetic. That would explain a lot of stuff. For example in the
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and a close vowel /ɨ ~ ə/. The page only cites one source, and there it's referred simply as a "close vowel". Chirikba refers to it as a high close vowel. Another paper by Bert Vaux, first mentions that "The phonemic status of ә is disputed" and "will be assumed here for ease of exposition", and then
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It's kinda wacky honestly, he's the only person who has made these claims, I don't think it should be the only one being described in the article. I think we should present the different analysis by all the linguists here, they don't really agree with each other at all, and lots of these are old. At
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Unfortunately there is no source for it. Chirikba 2003 says that " is the phonetic realization of the sequences aw, wa and awa, as well as the allophone of /a/ in contact with the labialized consonants. is the allophone of /a/ in combinations /aj/ = , /ja/ = ..., or in combinations "palatalized
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consonants may be capable of appearing either short or long. The consonants attested in Vaux and Pəsiypa's paper as having geminated forms are the following: . As you can see, there appears to be no phonological reason why all consonants shouldn't have a corresponding geminate.
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I'm vision impaired and I still can't differentiate the dark green and blue from black! I'll add asterisk (*) and dagger (†) as per the description within the article itself, but keep the colours unchanged for those who use them.
488:гласный ы по сравнению с а является более закрытым, что зависит от более высокого положению языка. По сравнению с абхазским ы, русское ы по положению языка более задний и более закрытый гласный.
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