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SuicideGirls and Blue Blood, as well as director Stephen Sayadin and photographer Richard Kern, which are linked to in the article itself. I'm not sure what you mean by "studios" - altporn is mostly found on websites. So far, there are articles on Blue Blood and
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case. If you think the articles are unencylopedic, or the subjects not notable, or they are just advertising, tag them for cleanup or list them for AfD rather than creating more articles that have the same problems. If you want to create articles on
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indulding in the creation of their own references in order to validate the false data they present as factual. A more experienced editor should look into every page being edited by this user and into the BlueBlood marketing inaccuracies.
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If that is true, then why are there so many of them here? There's a link repository for mainstream porn studios with their own personal web sites. The truth is that alot of people use this for marketing themselves and their companies.
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I think this page should be renamed "Altporn" rather than "Alternaporn". A search for "alternaporn" on yahoo revealed 760 hits. "Altporn" brought 15,000 hits. The page "Alternaporn" should redirect to "Altporn". Thoughts?
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The three or four altporn sites mentioned in the article right now are in there because they're historically important in the development of altporn, not because I'm cherry-picking personal favorites.
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I agree with the preceding statement. I also think a separate page should be started listing Alt-Porn websites in alphabetical order. I will be starting this ASAP unless there are any objections?
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