Talk:Al Gore/Archive 9 - Knowledge (XXG)

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this page want the main link and header removed then I will acquiesce. We could always initiate another peer review and see if there are too many headers/links (I think there aren't) as the last peer review was months ago and the article looked completely different. So, does anyone have an opinion on the matter.

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This succession box is intended to be used as a sample for the general re-organisation of the succession boxes for United States politicians. Please discuss any changes that you might want to perform on it before you proceed. I hope the result of my edit has been beneficial to both the box and to the

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I have removed the "win"/"lost" labels from the candidate succession lines' title fields due to their redundancy; one can easily see which bids were won and which ones were lost by looking at the "Political offices" section at the top of the succession box and seeing which offices were indeed held by

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And all I did was revert, with an appropriately verbose edit summary to explain, twice. Actually, it's like four times, looking at the last month. Grow a thicker epidermis. This isn't playschool. There's no reason we can't continue to edit cooperatively without getting into edit wars. The article has

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apples and oranges. it's a whitewash to have no mention at all of gore's controversies in this article. i recently read this article looking for the timeline of the illegal fundraising gore participated in from within the whitehouse. not a word of it. i overlooked the "see also" section. others will

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Longer articles are split into sections, each about several good-sized paragraphs long. Subsectioning can increase this amount. Ideally many of those sections will eventually provide summaries of separate articles on the subtopic covered in that section (a Main article or similar link would be below

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Yes. Check my edit history; I've been cooperatively editing here for 7303 edits as of last month. As I said, I'd be happy with a rewording, but in the form it was in (a non-wikipedic mainlink right next to a wikilink to the same page) it wasn't a difficult decision at the time and I didn't see it as

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Correction needed: In "Anthology of Interest", Al Gore was not portraying his own severed head in a jar. His appearance in that episode was in the year 2000, a "what is" scenario where Fry did not get frozen and wind up in the year 3000. Other episodes in the year 3000 have him as a severed head.

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Having two links to the same article within the space of eight words is stylistically poor. In general, we should use inline hyperlinks because we're a website and not a dead-tree encyclopedia. So that makes it a no-brainer which one to keep. If you want to reword it to make it more obvious then go

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I have removed the "as of 2007" label from the order of precedence succession line's title field due to redundancy; orders of precedence are always supposed to be valid at the time one sees the succession box. I have replaced it with a label giving the capacity in which Al Gore has a place in the

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I agree. Why are the criticisms separate? On every other politicians page, be they republican or democrat, there is at least mention of ONE controversy. There should be one here, we have to remain non-partisan remember. It is not for us to judge what is a credible concern and what is bs. If we do

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Does anyone else have any thoughts on the matter? I think an inconvenient truth is still a reason why people may come to the Al Gore page and it deserves its own subsection, link and summary. The article (an inconvenient truth) is well researched and fully referenced. However, if other editors on

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That seems a little ridiculous. Are we still going to have the same picture there when he is 80? I would also question that the first thing people think when they hear or see Al Gore is that he used to be Vice President. I'd say they think much more about his global warming activism and his film

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We don't need to be making any ground on this, so I'm removing it again. The film's own article is prominently linked in the intro, it's only given three short paragraphs here and it isn't really a sub-article, so the subheader/mainlink thing is really unnecessary. It keeps us at three levels of

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Oh my lord this isn't preschool. I didn't think my response on the talk page was that hard to understand. Let me explain it to you because it will be a no brainer. Your links are screwed up. There should be one to the election itself titled "1988 United States presidential election" and one to

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I don't think that's feasible or desirable, considering the size of the controversy article. Having a separate article on controversies in wikipedia is fairly commonplace, but not altogether preferable. The controversy article would have to be chopped to about a quarter of it's current size to

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The initial mention of "the popular vote" is likely to confuse people who don't know that the popular vote carries no legal significance and strikes me as trying the leader in to drawing the conclusion that it does or should. Also, it would be more accurate and much less POV to state that the

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reasonably fit into the main article, and then we would have people whining about adding this and that until the article is split again. "Gore has some faults that need to be mentioned" is not a compelling reason to merge the articles, as there is a whole page that mentions these "faults".

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The only reason the "controversy" is notable is because the media's endless devotion to covering it is the main reason he's not currently President. The actual minutiae of such charges are only of import to wingnuts, which makes separating them out into a separate playpen a very good idea.

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It's on the front page of CNN's website... "Extremely minor" and "responsible publications"...I'm glad to see that you are using facts and not your personal qualifications to back your argument up... What is a "responsible publication" by the way? Is it one with a heavy liberal slant?

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WHERE is the page for his son? why does it re-direct here? Why is there a link claiming to take you there, and then merely bring you back to this same page? With all of the whining on this site, could somebody do something constructive? I have no idea how to fix it or I would.

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I know other articles use old pictures- I think it is a bad idea and makes it look like Knowledge (XXG) is stuck in the past. I don't see a problem with an infobox in the article with the vice/presidential picture but I don't think it should be right at the top.

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It appears there used to be an article on Gore III. He wasn't really notable, though, and it now redirects here. The essential question is whether a politician's son who gets busted a few times and is the associate publisher of a magazine is notable. I say no.

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There's no need to go four layers deep with headers on this article. Overuse of headers was one big gripe from the peer review and the article seems to accumulate them as fast as they can be removed. Let's not assume that every reader has a three-second memory.

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Could we possibly split off the section about his involvement with "Futurama" to be positioned in a new "Popular Culture" section? There seems to be many Al Gore parodies and other points of mention on television although I could only name a few outright.

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Under the heading "Political career (1976–2000)", sub-headings "Congressional service" and "Opposition to U.S. government support of Saddam Hussein", in the first sentence the text reads "...by the Bush-Reagan and Bush-Quayle administrations.".

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article and what has been done is to include 'criticism' in the main page but the criticism is elaborated on other pages. The pages are properly hyper-linked in the body of the main article so that the interested reader can follow them.

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I'm Nick Moreau, an accredited reporter for Wikinews. I'm co-ordinating our 2008 US Presidential election interviews. We will be interviewing as many candidates as possible, from the Democrats, Republicans, and other parties/independents.

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Knowledge (XXG) is meantfor presenting information. All information. Period. No exceptions. The bad points surrounding Gore deserve just as much attention as the good ones. There is no room for a leftist slant in this encyclopedia.

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Gore's are mostly integrated into the rest of the article. To be honest, I hardly think his opinion on, say, abortion is as notable as his climate or technology accomplishments. If he runs (fingers crossed) there'll be one soon enough.

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I really don't get this. Biographies almost always use prominent but non-current pictures. Tell you what though, when he does the right thing and jumps into the 2008 race I'll be the first to upload a new pic when I'm changing it to

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Criticism should only exist if it's very very relevant, pervasive and notable, and above all factually accurate. If you can provide criticism that meets this criteria then do it. If it gets deleted then defend your addition of it

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Al Gore has undeniable faults that deserve to be mentioned in this article. Nearly all other political figures' articles mention criticisms. To have this article not mention Gore's mistakes or wrondoings would make it biased.

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Is the proper wording of an administration's leaders Alphabetical or is it by superior first? If it is by superior first (as I believe it is) then several places in the article need to be edited to be worded properly.

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The "Best" image available should be used. This means the highest quality and clearest image. If the best image was taken last week then we use that one. If the best image was taken 15 years ago then we use that one.

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be a summary of the subarticle, and that content shouldn't be changed, without it being a reflection of the content in the subarticle. By using the {{main}} tag - you indicate both. By using a wikilink - you do not.

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It seems that negative information surrounding Gore is being "Hidden" away on another page. No average wikipedia user is going to look up the Al Gore Controversy page; they simply don't expect it to exist.

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I would really rather the sentence were rewritten. The Rabindranath Tagore article uses mainlinks for things which really couldn't be wikilinked sensibly; I feel that these ones are easier to link inline.

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Gore's campaign titled "Al Gore presidential campaign". Is that so hard to understand thumperwad? I would be happy to work with you if you tone down your condescending attitude. Interact with people much?

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Supreme Court refused to block the certification of Florida's electors rather than the "handed" language used here. Wouldn't the results of the many independant post-election recounts be on topic here?

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I think it would help to have a politics section. Even though he is not a politician anymore, he's still political. Clinton, Regan aren't politicians anymore but they have a 'political beliefs' section

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Hey, thanks for being totally and completely condescending. Your response on this page is rude and arrogant. I made a mistake but your attitude stinks. This is the link I put on the page...

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I agree. Gore has some faults that need to be mentioned. Who would expect there to be a whole seperate article on controversie. It definitely should be merged with this article.

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a specific page on Gore's campaign. Thats nice if what you need to know is about the general campaign (you'd click the link then). But not nice if you'd like specifics. If its a

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The reason the Cleese and Connery photos are used is that no newer image exists under a free license. The Nancy Sinatra one is actually not allowed as it a copyright image.

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I don't know where you get the "almost always" from. It might be the case with US presidents/vice-presidents but everywhere else the most recent image is the preferred one.

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I'll be sending out requests for interviews to the major candidates very soon, but I want your input, as people interested in American politics: what should I ask them?

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It seems a little inappropriate to have such an old image at the top when he doesn't really look like that anymore. Are there not any more up to date images we can use?

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doesn't seem to be giving it much coverage either. Thanks for confirming my suspicions that much of the desire to see this published here stems from political motives.

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what are you talking about? If we are coming from a non-partisan/apolitical perspective then we remain neutral. Even if other 'fair and balanced' news outlets don't

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The critisism section is indeed hidden on another page to keep this one looking good.. No wonder it looks good! They moved the entire critical POV to another page!

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Controversy here does not mean controversy surrounding Gore, it means 'should we include a controversy section in the article? Or something along those lines.'

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I beleive the controversy should be mentioned on this article. I didn't even suspect a seperate page existed untill I read this! (And I was looking for it!)

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I think we're well past B-class now. In particular, everything in the (admittedly short) peer review is now obsolete. Time to go requesting another review?

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I really don't see anything about his politics in the article. I think its really important there is one- otherwise people do not know what he stands for.

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has pointed out, reality has a well-known liberal bias. Gore's negative aspects mostly consist of made-up nonsense spread to discredit him. Go play on

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is linked in the intro, and is only as notable as a half-dozen other achievements he's made so doesn't really need an eponymous header any more than

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Agreed with the last sentence. Let's calm down everyone. All this talk about preschool and playschool is making me itch for rousing a game of

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And since he now has his own article, and it's wikilinked from this one, I'm going to remove the information about the arrest from this one.

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I have added headers for all titles in the succession box and have categorised the succession lines under said headers and according to the

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Second what about his refusal to debate scientists who disagree with him. I think thats should be on the main page on evironmental concerns.

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Each article on each subtopic, as well as the main article have lead sections that are concise encyclopedic articles in their own right.

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Insert the words " 20-room, 250-acre " between the words "small" and "farm"....and the original statement will gain some credibility.--

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The Anna Nicole channel? They've gone downhill. You probably wouldn't be impressed by the short shrift being given the story in the

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Most aren't notable in any real sense. We should assign due weight, which really belongs elsewhere. If you want, you could risk an

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of a subsidiary article, it really should be headed with a {{main}} indication. Both to tell readers, and editors what it is. --

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The piped link is misleading, as a casual reader, i would assume that the link is for a general page about the '88 campaign -

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THIS article should mention the controversy surrounding Al Gore instead of hiding the information away in another article.

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ahead, but please assume good faith from other editors. It's not like I don't leave pretty comprehensive edit summaries.

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is not a subtopic of this article. And this rule is being overapplied to the detriment of the article's style already.

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uses main links frequently and quite well - maybe it's just a matter of re-writing the first sentence of the section. -

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contentious. Rather than exchanging blows on the talk page or edit warring we'd be better trying to edit productively.

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Questions? Don't ask them here, I'll never see them. Either ask them on the talk page of any of these three pages, or

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I haven't read up on that process but I'll agree the article is far superior to what it was a month or two ago.

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Why? Knowledge (XXG) is not a scandal sheet. This was extremely minor news in responsible publications. The

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Nobody's written one. Seeing as he isn't currently a politician it doesn't seem directly relevant anyway.

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headers too, thus not encouraging further expansion of an already comprehensive summary-style article.

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I think there needs to be some balance. Otherwise it looks decisively political, which we do not want.

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As one can easily see, I have extensively edited the succession box for Al Gore. More specifically:

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Have a look at where that link goes. I didn't think piped links were that difficult to understand.

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Should this text be changed to read "...by the Reagan-Bush and Bush-Quayle administrations."?

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how come theres no "political beliefs of al gore" section like there is for other politicians?

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The statement: "The Gores reside in Nashville, Tennessee, and own a small farm near Carthage.."

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The link that was on the page made no mention of the al gore presidential campaign. So sue me.

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No, until it includes at least one controversy or details Gore's beliefs, it is lacking.

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is very misleading. How is "small" being defined? In comparison to what -- Australia?

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Even if he doesn't get his own article, it should definitely be mentioned in here.

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The problem is not wikilinks. The problem is that the sections are summaries (see:

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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BTW upto date free images do exist of Al Gore- I'll upload them tomorrow.

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Why nothing on this? Gore seem to be a fairly significant player in this?

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Well, he has his own article now so I guess more people saw it my way.

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In South Park, Al Gore's Climate Change crusade is metaphored with

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This is an extremely silly edit war we're involved in right now.

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I'm actually inclined to agree with this. I'll trim it. Cheers.

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http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367

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Two points the first is Gole environmental double standard.

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Please go to any of these three pages, and add a question.

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article. I think there used to be one, but it was deleted.

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Completely off the top of my head, see the infoboxen of

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Accuracy and NPOV status of 2000 Election description

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