Talk:Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District

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are nor what your abbreviations stand for. But in reply, yes, I do want a source to disprove my artificial and not wholly unfounded thesis. A hyphen is used to separate two elements of a compound word. A dash is used in other instances. That's Knowledge practice. In fact, other publications would consider some of our uses of dashes as just stylised hyphens. Even in phrases such as "Canadian–American border" where we would use an endash, others would consider that just a hyphen. In response to all this about "legal use" of hyphens, I'll compare it to a similar discussion involving The Beatles. One editor was saying that "The Beatles" is a registered trademark so should always be spelt with a capital "T" in "The". Another editor noted that it was unlikely that the copyright holders of "The Beatles" would object to the use of "the Beatles", which is used quite a bit, probably more often mid-sentence. Likewise, there is almost no difference between an endash used in this way to a hyphen. PS it's not "McLay" – "M" is my first initial and "Clay" are the first four letters of my surname :P.

2724:. A mis-spelled/mis-punctuated name could void, for example, a piece of legislation or a lawsuit. She took quite a bit of offense, as would others in their office, at the MOSite claim that MOS need not pay attention to legal/official uses and that MOS is somehow superior to their own style guidelines which can be ignored by people in distant lands more interested in typography than in proper terminology/legal punctuation systems. Go ahead, sneer some more, folks, but MOS is not Holy Writ and it's clearly not supported by consensus (or else *I* and Enric Naval and others here would agree with how it's being applied, which we most certainly do not). Here are the Regulations from 457:, so your claim that this is "only" a typographical issue can be reduced to "only a typographical issue in Knowledge", not in any citable source or common usage. By NEW USAGES, which it should not be doing. Knowledge "typographical standards" should be governed by real-world sources/ not by the tastes/agendas of Knowledge designers....and should never upend legal names or longstanding conventions by overriding them with arbitrarily-arrived at Knowledge "policies". Add on to that "utility/ease of use" and the rationale for emdashes or endashes, arrived at by editors wanting to impose standards not aware of what they are affecting (legal names) is, well, poppycock. 315:, StatsCan (where RD names are used as those of Census Areas - though without the ""Regional District" name appended) as well as most common usage use a hyphen, no spaces, for double-barrelled RD names; none use a dash nor spaces between dashes and the names. These should never have been changed - the rationale I am told was to "harmonize with Knowledge's appearance standards" but that's not reason to override official sources/names. They're also cumbersome to use/link with the dash. These need to be changed as a precursor to a CfD moving the categories back to the hyphen format; they also should not have been changed 2691:

and unlike other QPs in Canada) and is very strict and consistent, and they strive for consistency in all their documents including in picayune matters to do with punctuation and style/typography. She said that while their websites use HTML, every effort is made to match the style/typographical standards of QP Legalese. Members of their staff are part of the Plain English association, and the head of the Office is the Chair of the Commonwealth Federation of Legislative Counsels. "We

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and the arguments that people who use typewriter spellings are "backwards", or that style trumps official spelling conventions etc. I didn't misrepresent anything; it's clear as day in the Poland-Lithuania RM and I'm not sure if you've looked through RM1 above re that. And the seat thing, no it was not malicious, but a few were subjected to mini-edit wars with people defending the usage on the (false) premise that RDs are just like counties....it would be the equivalent of calling

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Public Affairs Bureau, which is the government's news/information/p.r. agency. The last-named said they'd get back to me, but were interested in the issue, the Queen's Printer said they have no style guide but they "do have style", and the Hansard Office said the same thing much more emphatically. But it's the Office of Legislative Counsel that is

1201:. This "style" over substance/traditional being broad-brushed across Knowledge is inventing a new paradigm, and promoting it; that's just not right, no more than it is here. The hard-core Wikipedian argument that "we know better" and "others are lazy" is just downright arrogant, as well as incorrect and more than a bit OR. 824:(now Alberni Inlet for pilotage reasons though the older usage prevails in speech still) is the root of the first part of the name, Clayoquot Sound the root of the second part of the name. But Alberni-Clayoquot, whether as a CA or as an RD, is not the same as either, nor simply a combination of the two names; it is a 1689: 934:, which are named after him. The meaning of "Thompson-Nicola" is "the basin of the Thompson River, plus the basin of the Nicola River, plus parts of the Fraser Canyon to the north and south of the norteastern extremity of the Squamish-Lilloet Regional District, plus parts of the Cariboo and all of the Shuswap". 2831:) 22:58, 3 February 2011 (UTC) She also laughed, rather hysterically and not a bit mockingly, when I told her that Knowledge had previously called Burnaby the "seat" of the GVRD, which is another gaffe-from-outside imposed on us (until I came along....) by people using non-Canadian English on Canadian articles. 1669: 1649: 2135: 1709: 1593: 1613: 2690:

horse's mouth, and I am awaiting an email summarizing what we discussed and with specific relation to certain items I asked her to look up; she explained that they use "QP Legalese" as their standard, which is apparently derived from the Queen's Printer in Ontario (BC's Queens Printer is a standalone

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I fully agree that if we have professionally typeset publications in paper or PDF form, and not just those silly Google Book searches (OCRs generally can't distinguish en dashes from hyphens), that we should not impose en dashes based on a superficial reading of the style guides. There's no danger of

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Knowledge isn't the Canadian Encyclopedia. We don't do things just because others do. If you can find a source that says writing the name of this place would be incorrect with a dash, then I'll agree with you. Until then, I still think that most typed writing will never use dashes because hyphens are

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I still think it's irrelevant whether sources use a hyphen or a dash. It certainly shouldn't have spaces around the hyphen or dash, but the difference between a hyphen and dash is just a stylistic one and doesn't change the spelling, meaning or correctness of the name. Just because most websites have

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the case that web sites don't bother with such detail, just as they (and we) don't bother with curly apostrophes. That's easy enough to verify; even dictionaries will tell you that hyphens are normally substituted for en-dashes except when typesetting. It was therefore reasonable to be dubious about

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oppose vote with the rationalization "We don't do legal names or even official names. This is purely a matter of style." One, and he didn't follow up when contradicted. I expressed reservation about the ambiguous use of hyphens, but it was a reservation, not adamant opposition. Also, no-one said the

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when it says straight-out in it that official sources are to be followed and that MOS itself is only optional, and all the silly deconstructionist rationalizations why YOU are right and those of us pointing at local usage and official usage are wrong, because "Knowledge has rules". That's nonsense,

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looks ridiculous! "Fraser-Fort" is not a name, or an element of a name. If you can't say "Regional District of Fraser-Fort", then it shouldn't be punctuated with a hyphen. I'm not so clear on how the whole place-name convention works (the MOS example of "Guinea-Bissau" is not attributive, and the en

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I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your point, but to me it seems you are supporting my opinion that Alberni–Clayoquot is not a surname but rather a combination of two names (whether surnames or not is irrelevant). However, please note that I am not Canadian and have no idea where any of these places

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for places, and are not simple linkages "creatred for the place", whatever you mean by that. In their creation, also, it must be underscored that the Queens Printer, Hansard, the Ministry of Municipal Affairs - all with style guides, and in the case of Hansard and Queens Printer, very strict ones -

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This is the reply from the Office of the Legislative Counsel, which I just received (Feb 4/02). I have fixed the bulleting from the mail-text format in the original and bolded/italicized one key line, partly because it was an emphatic point made during the phone call; NB the use of forward slashes

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RM1 (above) continued on the Poland-Lithuania item after I discovered that it had been (wrongly) dashed and then was launched by Enric Naval as an RM there, and the debate continued there; it was there that those comments were made, and repeated, and it's to those I'm referring i.e. the "lazy" one,

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I just spent a couple of hours on the phone with Victoria ("with Victoria" in BC-ese means with provincial government offices) and found the horse's mouth, which is the Office of Legislative Counsel. I also spoke with the Hansard Office and with the Queen's Printer and am awaiting a reply from the

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I see no reason at all to spend my valuable and much-abused time looking for a cite to disprove an unwarranted and artifical thesis by somebody not even familiar with these places, or their names, or with what regional districts are. There are simply no sources using anything but hyphens for these

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the authority," she said to me. When I told her the arguments that have been made here, including the one about government-site webmasters being "lazy" and not as typographically sophisticated as Wikipedians, she prickled and said the Director would "take serious umbrage at that". Upshot is that

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using "% regional district" and you'll get the full list ("%" is a wild-card in that search engine) - all using hyphens, as does the enabling legislation for these para-municipal regional bodies and any other reference, official or otherwise, you'll find anywhere (except on Knowledge, where dashes

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be called for (unless it's not in the source cited, e.g. a qute from somewhere). An existing convention walraedy exists between fedeeral electoral districts which use the emash because the soruce (Elections Canada) does, and provincial electoral districts, which use the hyphen - again because the

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names, which are NOT conjunctive but used as solitary terms, as with SatsCan's appropriation of them for use as Census areas (e.g. Alberni-Clayoquot is the CA, while the regional district is the Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District. Now if the dyad were "Alberni Valley and Clayoquot Sound regions"

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sources, as alluded to above (e.g. Ministry of Tourism regions). A name is a name is a name is a name and "hyphenated name" was already in MOS before it was recently emended to include "hyphenated geographic names". CANMOS should always be followed for Canadian items, also, and while it may not

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with special characters...before XqBot started, last night SporkBot was still changing things to the dash; if it's still running it could "loop" and change what your bot is doing....don't know what the f**k plastikspork was trying to do by launching it on that task, if he was aware at all of the

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It's true that Elections Canada uses dashes for riding-names, and that is reflected in Wiki titles for those articles; as Franamax has told you, BC's regional districts have nothing to do with Elections Canada and are part of provincial-level jurisdictions, namely the BC Municipal Act. Go try a

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Those aren't just websites, they're official records, and mirror what's in the legal language of the legislation. Wanting to supplant in-use hyphens for Knowledge dashes and claiming that it's not a difference in spelling is what's not relevant, and is only opinion. i.e. vs official sources and

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use the forms currently in place, which were gone over, using BCGNIS and the RDs' own websites as a guide, when the comma-province dab was dropped in a previous RM...or was it a CfD? Maybe both. There are various provincial parks which have been affected by the dashifying campaign, too; their

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The change to MOS seems relatively stable, 12 days is a long time if were controversial. The typographic style used by the ultimate sources seems established as well-founded and well-applied. I support the change anyway, but stepping back too, I see no reason not to proceed. I'd say go for it.

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In British Columbia’s legislation – both Statutes and Regulations – what is on the web is considered “unofficial” and the text may be formatted differently due to limitations of XML or HTML, and in some cases, based on other guidelines. As an example of the latter, Hansard may choose to use an

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The Dewdney-Alouette Regional District and the Comox-Strathcona Regional District I can't find on there, just yet, but she looked both of them up (digitally and in hard copy) and affirmed that they are both hyphenated, not dashed. She was also very very explicit about the only times they use

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Just to note the RD uses the current title on its website and letterhead; in legal language, i.e. in the legislation and in BCGNIS, it's "Regional District of Alberni-Clayoquot". For now "most common usage" applies, unless it turns out that the website is anomalous - ? - and the formal usage

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We are very structured in our styles and have a Style Committee to set standards for spelling, grammar and format when and if ambiguity arises or if something occurs that has not ever been addressed before. The office has adopted the Canadian Oxford Dictionary as its dictionary for spelling.

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given that these are stand-alone names and their meanings should not be confused with "Alberni and Clayoquot", "Squamish and Lillooet", "Thompson and Nicola", etc. BTW the family surnames in that set are Alberni, Thompson and Nicola (well, Nicola's a personal name, not a family one, but the

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a "shire" or a US state a "province". As far as local conventions, I make a point of asking about local usage, e.g. a lot I've done on Washington and Alaska articles and re Saskatchewan or on various WPNorway articles (which have serious English-idiom problems often enough) I'll ask on the

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using web sites as references. Now, you've dug up excellent sources, which is great, and should be decisive. I'd be happy to move the articles now, since we don't seem to have any other objections. (Unless you'd prefer we hold off for the full 7 days so we don't have complaints later.)

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I just re-read your last post, McLay....you want a SOURCE? If you're so hot on sources, why do you discount the BCGNIS, CGNDB, StatsCan and other official sources as having lazy typographers?? You want a source to disprove your artificial and unfounded thesis?? Sources have been

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Since that was the last source we were waiting for, and I was not initially for the move, are there any objections to me closing this discussion and moving the pages, even though I voted? I was, after all, unanimous apart from me. Or should we wait for some disinterested party? —

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as is the argument made over and over that the official publications are printed by people "too lazy to use the dash". What a load of incredible crap the lot of you are touting about this. ENDASH was clear about this even before it was amended to specify geographic names,

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I have attached a PDF of a page that would appear in our consolidated loose-leaf regulations ( ‘official’ version of B.C.’s subordinate legislation). As Queen’s Printer holds copyright and Crown Publications the sales/distribution, I have added an ‘unofficial’ watermark.

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I have never heard such self-interested, self-serving garbage as from at least one user on this page who is single-mindedly pursuing his agenda to change WP's typographical rules the way he sees fit. It is unfortunate that people here are not prepared to stand up to him.

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be moved - ot was because I didn't like them that I was told the RM had to be done first on the articles..., and like all categories using non-ASCII characters they're a bugger to type (I'll bring up the FN ones later....grrr....see the category at the bottom of e.g.

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See David Levy's post above about how dashes are not used in a hyphenated proper name, be it Featherstone-Haugh or Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District. You're talking about a Knowledge style issue vs cited sources and also established Knowledge guidelines about

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a regional district right now; it used to be the CFVRD, with Matsqui, Sumas and Langley before the expansion of the GVRD forced teh dismantlement of the Dewdney-Alouette Regional District and the CFVRD and Fraser-Cheam.....government from on high, not from

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I see there are still a lot of articles in the en-dashed categories. Give me a list of categories that need to be gone through, and I'll correct all of the linking articles. You can then recreate the hyphenated categories that the articles will link to. —

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WP:COMMONNAME is a policy and the manual of style is a guideline. If the common name uses a hyphen then we should use a hyphen instead of making up a spelling that we like better. The articles already link to sources that use only hyphens. I'll add

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ambiguity, after all. But my concern about "Fraser-Fort" stands: IMO, a reader shouldn't misparse a name because of punctuation. (Same concern with Skeena-Queen Charlotte Regional District, where I'd argue for an en dash but not the spaces.) —

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Kwami, if you've got the power to change those cats, no point in waiting for GO to get to it, just do it; they never should have been speedied to dashes in teh first place IMO, just as these articles should never have been speedied without an

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Get a grip, Kwami - an official name is an official name, and official typography is official typography (and established, in fact, by law). Wikipedians don't have a right to go deciding that what they know is best in defiance of reality.

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Can a bot be geared up to run over the text of all these articles (and any linking/referencing them) to fix all the dash-instances that have since been inserted in the text? Usually this is only in the lede, if it's an RD article, that

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closed (by someone who can do better than "no consensus") it should also be reverted to its original form, if it isn't already.....I can't believe how long this is taking to get something as simple as an official name restored to its

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You'll want to check the categories on the 7 articles, since I changed them too, and they may now be red links. Now going through connecting articles. If there's a template, why don't you do that: I'm only checking mainspace. —

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The hyphenated form is dominant in external sources (official government websites, as well as news articles and books), and a minority of sources prefer a spaced name (e.g. "Squamish Lillooet"), but very few use an en dash.

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regular, normal usages. Expecting bots and redirects to pick up the slack because wikipedia designers think "their way is better" is just not encyclopedic. The Canadian Encyclopedia doesn't do it, why should Knowledge?

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you should know better than to make such cockamamey arguments. A hyphenated name is a hyphenated name is a hyphenated name, a hyphenated geographic name is a hyphenated geographic name is a hyphenated geographic name

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publications, page 22, uses only a hyphen, uses dashes in sentences in pages 21 and 23. Also uses hyphens for the regional districts of "Squamish-Lilloet", "Thompson-Nicola", "Columbia-Shuswap" and "Bulkley-Nechako".

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As for the "seat" gaffe, do you suppose it was malicious? Do you never edit articles on countries other than Canada (or better yet, only BC), where you might make an error due to ignorance of local conventions? —

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and also by CANMOS (which trumps MOS as interpreted by people from another branch of the anglosphere, as Canadian usage is to be used in Canadian articles), should be dashed because "George-Omineca" isn't a name.

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anything about regional districts and their histories? I object to this peremptory interference in what was a multi-page discussion, where the results of other RMs will affect this one, and this was the one

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are two different things (unless the former is the latter which some "helpful" soul decided to change in a "foreigner knows best than these bumpkin Canadians who don't know proper typography" kind of way).

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this is so much the case that I'm sure it's in styleguides for paper/thesis writing for SFU, UBC, UNBC, UFV and the colleges; using a dash in one of those papers would very likely result in a mark-down.

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If we're going to blindly follow their lead, however, would that mean that the articles on the parks would need to be in ALL CAPS? Is there any difference legally between that and en-dash vs hyphen? —

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As I said previously, Alberni–Clayoquot is not a surname, it is a combination of two surnames created for the place. If you can give me one source that says otherwise, I will support your argument.

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Because the effect on there is to delay a decision, perhaps with the hope others will come along to kibosh that consensus, which would have directly impact the result of this one in favour of the

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PS. While we're at it, we might as well decide whether we want to go with the more common "X-X Regional District", or the more formal "Regional District of X-X". We currently have mixed usage. —

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and using dashes for federal electoral districts and hyphens for provincial ones (based in the sources as well as in common use, though in common use federal ones are typically only hyphenated).

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Except that it isn't spelling, it's punctuation. We don't follow sources in other aspects of punctuation. Though granted, being in the middle of a proper name makes this rather different. —

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a lot easier. Even on Knowledge, a lot of editors will use a spaced hyphen instead of a dash because it's easier, but technically it's still a dash, it just hasn't been written properly.

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indicates that the en-dashes are to substitute for hyphens when the mark is being used "to stand for and between independent elements." Conjunctive RD names clearly meet this condition.

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What distinguishes where one is used over the other is based somewhat on historical/regional use and possible political reasons (e.g. retaining the naming used by First Nations, etc.).

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Web sites are absolutely worthless as references here. That's like debating whether we should use 'smart' or straight apostrophes based on web pages. En dashes are a convention used in

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Good Olfactory was supposed to fix the categories by speedy once the RM2 was done, I let him know already, also the subcats. And PS please stop typing those using the endash, it's

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Our office provides seminars to visiting delegations (e.g. our most recent presentations were to China and Russia) on our drafting approach (including style, language, grammar)

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en-dash over a hyphen in transcriptions. This does not mean that this is the “official” form. The official consolidation of our legislation is in loose-leaf format (paper).

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categories; in the latter case only one of the two tribal councils uses the special characters, the larger one does not - and when Sto:lo is seen in our newspapers, it's

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Since they specifically address the logical en-dash question, I have no further reservation (though of course I had no evidence to support that reservation to begin with)

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contents are being either misrepresented or ignored in order to continue the apparent intent of eradicating the hyphen from Knowledge on the grounds of "typography".

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A bot's going through and reverting my changes. Let me know on my talk page if you want to move the categories, give me a list, and I'll go through them again. —

2015: 1531: 1522: 885:. It's not like saying "Vancouver-Burnaby" or Surrey-Delta-White Rock (er, that's a riding name, or was) or Abbotsford-Aldergrove or Chilliwack-Rosedale, which 395: 386: 3602: 1456:, which was closed on 22 January with an outcome of "no consensus". On 24 January, following discussion at multiple talk pages, the Manual of Style was edited ( 2596:

What the heck misparsing by readers. In wikipedia we decide names depending on how sources spell them, not on how editors think that they should be spelled. --

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Thanks, good idea, I'll support it. NB the same should be made on the two sub-articles there. There was a dash in the Hungarian name in the infobox on

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Couldn't you answer that question yourself, using the internet? A federal electoral district is not the same thing as a provincial regional district.

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Skeena-Queen Charlotte Regional District: Queen Charlotte Islands, Porcher Island, Prince Rupert Port Authority, Barrett Point, Moresby Island

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Skookum, I don't know who the "you people" are that you're ranting against, since they don't appear to be part of this discussion. We've had

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Regional District of Okanagan-Similkameen, British Columbi: Regional District of Okanagan-Similkameen, Skaha Lake, Penticton Regional Airport

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The immense majority of sources uses a hyphen, and there are two university press books using hyphen in their titles. I requested a move in

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People from Skeena-Queen Charlotte Regional District: Bernice Liu, Thomas Dufferin Pattullo, Robert Clothier, Brody Bishop, Helen Mussallem

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Settlements in the Columbia-Shuswap Regional District: Salmon Arm, British Columbia, Revelstoke, British Columbia, Golden, British Columbia

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Settlements in the Skeena-Queen Charlotte Regional District: Prince Rupert, British Columbia, Port Essington, British Columbia, Metlakatla

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People from Columbia-Shuswap Regional District: John Nunziata, Bruce Holloway, Sara Renner, Patricia Owens, Rob Flockhart, Sophie Atkinson

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source (Elections BC) does, as well as because of long-standing convention. The only place weher dash-usages of RD names can be found is

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I agree with Skookum1's assessment; each article's title refers to a single entity whose designation was formally established by others,

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Settlements in the Regional District of Okanagan-Similkameen: Settlements in the Similkameen, Settlements in the South Okanagan, Osoyoos

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Settlements in the Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District: Ucluelet, Tofino, British Columbia, Bamfield, British Columbia, Hot Springs Cove

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different style rules to Knowledge doesn't mean that we have to follow their style rules because their style rules are used in sources.

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If anyone would like a copy of the PDF mentioned in the last bit, email me and I will forward it to you; obviously can't post it here.

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En-dashes do appear in park names, but in what one might consider a standard use (spacing before and after the en-dash), for example:

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and all other government sources (e.g. once again bclaws.ca or any other BC government website, and the legislation creating them).

979:. And as explained above, re the Thompson-Nicola RD, the name was created to apply to more areas than the two whose names comprise 120: 2007: 3271:, too: almost all of the corrections are changes to the categories, and probably none of the hyphenated forms exist any longer. — 2475:, a defunct RD, to its dashed form on the usual bad reading of DASH and a misunderstanding of the nature of these names and their 2169: 2085: 1296:

redirects to, where teh same ad nauseam arguments about "style over sources" are made, always invoking WP:DASH. But here's what

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Squamish-Lillooet Regional District: Lillooet Country, People from Squamish-Lillooet Regional District, Sea to Sky Country

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Supporting again, like in previous request. WP:ENDASH needs a bit more work so people will stop saying that it overrides

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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The result of the move request was: All 7 moved. Unanimous opinion apart from myself; refs clearly override my prefs —

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You have any actual reason for not doing it so? Reasons that could counter the sources and arguments exposed here? --

2232:, but reality alone should have been enough in the first place. This is what these RD's are called, pure and simple. 2079: 3248: 1046:. This is purely a matter of style. Our style on Knowledge is, where the name is a conjunction of two names as in 3088:

Our office’s Chief Legislative Counsel is the Vice-President of the Commonwealth Association of Legislative Counsel

3332: 1464:). In the context of the names of these regional districts, a name such as "Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District", 1216: 2811:. YOu peopel need to step back from your arrogance and pretensions of "typography over sources" and realize how 2404:

dash is used specifically to join attributives), but this one should be an exception even if we move the rest. —

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Well, apart from WP's style guidelines, doesn't the Canadian Electoral Commission use en dashes for these items?

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Please provide sources that spell those names with a dash or with spaces around the hyphen or with two hyphens

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Re: Park Names All caps were a cut/paste from the loose-leaf. Upper/lower case used and perfectly acceptable.

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has been "corrected" to use dashes, also in the two linked items there; no publication of any kind ever does

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I don't think I've ever heard anything as stupid and arrogant as you people who are insisting that MOS is a

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Highest quality sources (picked from the first few results, all use one hyphen except for some old census):

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in some names is not mentioend here, I'll consult further on that point, and will also post this to WPBC:

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Well, looking over the BC Laws page I noticed that right off the bat, too; but BCGNIS and its new version

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have anything specific about this category of names, there already exists, as noted, a Wiki-convention of

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A social profile of the Dewdney-Alouette Regional District: prepared for the Lower Mainland Refuse Project

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Interpretations of soil base data for urban related developments in the Dewdney-Alouette Regional District

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move. Mclay1 and The Tom's arguments are not persuasive. This is not mere stylistic convention, these are

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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who makes letter-reversal typos (I fixed yours) - fast typer like me?

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even despite the website presentations (below) she also looked up in the hardcopy, typeset volume and in

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Submission by the Squamish-Lillooet Regional District to the Royal Commission on British Columbia Railway

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These are hyphenated names, not "disconnected linkdages of independent elements". I have also posted on

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Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District, British Columbia: People from Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District

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Clarification: I moved that by analogy with the other articles. I wasn't aware of this discussion. —

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Columbia-Shuswap Regional District, British Columbia: People from Columbia-Shuswap Regional District

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annoying to see - equivalent of using quotation mark where and apostrophe is supposed to go - e.g.

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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which are the specific pieces of the legislation creating and governing the regional districts,

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I think). Only the provincial electoral districts are hyphenated, again because of the source

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specified in order to keep your pointy little pencils sharpened and your MOS-maven egos intact.

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about not overriding traditional/normal/legal usages in favour of "Knowledge's original style".

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It may be anally retentive, but it is in fact the case; but more to the point, your example of

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as names for the regional districts, and by consequence for census areas; one exception may be

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override any specious deconstructionist arguments made to dashify names that are established

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The regional district of Fraser-Fort George, Province of British Columbia: an economic survey

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Style comments from the Office of the Legislative Counsel of British Columbia, February 4/02

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Top 3 results for RD names (searched without a hyphen or dash) found using Google Books

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Top 3 results for RD names (searched without a hyphen or dash) found using Google News

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BC govt was too lazy to do this, so you've been misrepresenting the situation. It's

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International handbook on local government reorganization: contemporary developments

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usage is just "not on" and is, very much, "anal retentive" to suggest otherwise.....

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Loi sur les impôts du Québec, lois connexes et règlements annotés, 2007, 21e édition

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B.C. is considered one of the leaders in the Commonwealth for use of plain language

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There are hyphenated names in the Protected Areas of British Columbia Act as well:

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The Census of Canada, I don't know if it used a dash or a hyphen in these editions

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as per Black Falcon's explanation, and my own points in the previous RM, and also

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Settlements in the Squamish-Lillooet Regional District: Whistler, British Columbia

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Regional District of Fraser-Fort George regional economic profile, September 1982

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and you wantd to dash-ify that, then "Alberni Valley &emdash Clayquot Sound"

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There is mixed use in the B.C. statute Protected Areas of British Columbia Act—

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Alex Lord's British Columbia: recollections of a rural school inspector, 1915-36

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based on a FALSE and MISREPRESENTATIVE invocation of MOSDASH. I'm supposed to

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In terms of use of hyphens and en-dashes, the following guideline applies—

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Residential land use, component preliminary general plan: city of Princeton

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En-dashes are also used to indicate ranges of time, money or other amounts

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are fashionable but not in connection with reality, more often than not).

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used a hyphen in its name (now it uses a different name, I can't find it).

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Under no circumstance should dashes be changed to hyphens in this title.

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The main discussion of this topic is now on the RM on the talkpage where

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The provincial electoral district I was thinking of re O-S is actually

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Two very famous examples of binary names using hyphens and not dashes:

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and not fidgetable by "style". The official, legal names reflect this

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Category:Populated places in the Columbia–Shuswap Regional District

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trumps any silly argument that "Fraser-Fort" is not even a name....

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two independent elements whose names we're combining. Please see

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placename, whether a regional district or a provincial park or in

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combinations of two so-called "surnames"; they are NAMES, period.

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which is different. These dual names in the forms used are used

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treating double-barreled proper names as if they were "dashable".

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Federal electoral districts use the endash, as the source does (

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Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#hyphen_and_emdash_in_proper_nouns

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Income Tax Bulletins, Circulars And Technical News 2009 Edition

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and that this whole affair would have never happened if you'd

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in official publications (including the original legislation,

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the official sources including the legislation creating these

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again. It's nice to see MOS edited to acknowledge, you know,

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Other examples of unique double-names with standard hyphens:

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Community Highlights for Fraser-Fort George Regional District

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the hyphen is included as part of the legally chartered name

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independent elements in their context as RD names. They are

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Our office would never use an en-dash in place of a hyphen.

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Other facts that you may find interesting and useful are—

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Hyphens are also used in regional districts, for example;

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one of the provincial-level regionalization systems, e.g.

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names, and "proving" that they are stand-alone names is a

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You are very, very wong. The Alberni Valley and also the

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Istitutional and Policy Analysis of River Basin Management

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a

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Category:British Columbia federal electoral districts

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

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Economic profile, Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

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official names are also on the BC Laws site, in the

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talkpage....though it seems an RM is forthcoming on

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actually read and understood DASH in the first place

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when a company's legal name is registered in a dash.

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Regional District of Okanagan-Similkameen Regulation

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Skeena-Queen Charlotte Regional District Regulation

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Other unique combinations also found in BC are 2086:"the Regional District of Fraser-Fort George will" 674:Late Palaeozoic and Mesozoic ecosystems in SE Asia 3002:Hyphens are used to link two words, for example: 2741:Regional District of Alberni-Clayoquot Regulation 519:for my comments regarding a similar situation. — 2176:"call the Squamish Lillooet Regional District’s" 2142:"Skeena-Queen Charlotte regional district board" 3461:I'll go through them once I wake up a bit more. 2746:Regional District of Bulkley-Nechako Regulation 1393:but I smell an agenda here, and not neutrality. 2771:Squamish-Lillooet Regional District Regulation 2052:"Dewdney Alouette Regional District Board has" 1996:"from the Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District" 3598:Mid-importance Governments of Canada articles 2986:En-dashes are used in headings, for example: 2781:Columbia-Shuswap Regional District Regulation 2024:"RCMP and Columbia Shuswap Regional District" 692:Directory of long term care centres in Canada 626:official district website, uses only a hyphen 8: 2776:Thompson-Nicola Regional District Regulation 2751:Regional District of Fraser-Cheam Regulation 2550:(before HTML came along, and Knowledge too). 2164:"of the Squamish-Lillooet Regional District" 3608:Mid-importance Geography of Canada articles 2100:"Regional District of Okanagan Similkameen" 1868:"Regional District of Okanagan Similkameen" 1859:Revue canadienne d'urbanisme, Volumes 16-18 3361:), also the Parliament of Canada website ( 2962: 2128:"Skeena Queen Charlotte Regional District" 1973: 1903:"Skeena Queen Charlotte Regional District" 1717: 1656:Regional District of Okanagan-Similkameen 1541:Skeena – Queen Charlotte Regional District 1383:normal spelling of regional district names 342:Skeena – Queen Charlotte Regional District 47: 2170:"for Squamish-Lillooet Regional District" 2072:"Regional District of Fraser Fort George" 2002:"the Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District" 1834:"Regional District of Fraser Fort George" 1676:Skeena-Queen Charlotte Regional District 1536:Regional District of Okanagan-Similkameen 1532:Regional District of Okanagan–Similkameen 1523:Regional District of Fraser – Fort George 828:applelation which includes, for example, 669:International City Management Association 400:Regional District of Okanagan-Similkameen 396:Regional District of Okanagan–Similkameen 387:Regional District of Fraser – Fort George 3588:Mid-importance British Columbia articles 3501:XqBot right? Saw that. The categories 1636:Regional District of Fraser-Fort George 1562: 1545:Skeena-Queen Charlotte Regional District 346:Skeena-Queen Charlotte Regional District 2965: 2401:Regional District of Fraser-Fort George 1976: 1720: 1527:Regional District of Fraser-Fort George 977:by legal definition and by common usage 391:Regional District of Fraser-Fort George 49: 19: 3593:B-Class Governments of Canada articles 3578:Mid-importance Canada-related articles 3265:Regional districts of British Columbia 646:The Fraser-Fort George Regional Museum 3041:BISHOP BAY – MONKEY BEACH CONSERVANCY 3038:SMITH RIVER FALLS – FORT HALKETT PARK 2714:Northern Development Initiative Trust 2156:"Squamish Lillooet Regional District" 1988:"Alberni Clayoquot Regional District" 1937:"Squamish Lillooet Regional District" 1732:"Alberni Clayoquot Regional District" 7: 3603:B-Class Geography of Canada articles 3257:Regional District of Kitimat–Stikine 3253:Regional District of Bulkley–Nechako 2058:"Dewdney-Alouette regional district" 2044:"Dewdney Alouette Regional District" 2016:"Columbia Shuswap Regional District" 1800:"Dewdney Alouette Regional District" 1766:"Columbia Shuswap Regional District" 1696:Squamish-Lillooet Regional District 1580:Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District 517:Talk:Hanna-Barbera#Hyphen vs En Dash 382:Regional District of Bulkley-Nechako 378:Regional District of Bulkley-Nechako 278:The result of the move request was: 109:This article is within the scope of 2926:, which are mirrored in content by 1620:Dewdney-Alouette Regional District 1600:Columbia-Shuswap Regional District 1554:Squamish-Lillooet Regional District 1550:Squamish–Lillooet Regional District 1484:is a unique hyphenated place name. 1482:Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District 1453: 1450:Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District 1446:Alberni–Clayoquot Regional District 1090:Alberni-Clayoquot Regional District 474:applies here. 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