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have as short a synopsis as possible. I think that 500-700 words is the ideal, so it's entirely possible to create a synopsis section that can gloss over or otherwise omit these inaccuracies. Also, if any of the people involved with the film have commented on the film's inaccuracies, that can also help with the inaccuracy section as well. Another alternative is to include these criticisms in the reception section. The thing to remember here is that since this is a film, it doesn't fall under BLP rules as far as I've seen because it's not a "real life" type of scenario. It's based on a true story, but films on real events are themselves seen as "fictional" because it's the norm for them to take liberties with the story in question. Plus if we were to write the synopsis exactly as it happened IRL, then we're guilty of making an inaccurate synopsis ourselves.
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names of living people in the film then it is easy for the WP reader to think that every aspect of the film's story line is accurate and true. This creates a problem for a living person especially when that plot summary is the subjective evaluation of (in some cases) a single viewer/WP editor. I'm aware that MOS does not require sources for plot summaries but I disagree with that guideline and this is one example of why. If 10 people watch a movie and they each give a plot summary they will all be different. They will vary in accuracy, weight etc. because they are subjective. I understand this not the place to debate an MOS guideline but I think this is a topic worthy of some community consideration in this particular case. Thank you for your comments and for alerting the appropriate projects. As always I will honor the community consensus.--
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there about the real life specifics about the case. The thing to remember here is that this is a fictionalized depiction of a real life event and as such, doesn't really fall under BLP. Also it appears that Letourneau fully participated with the film and doesn't seem to have complained about it any (nor has her spouse), so I don't see where they're going to be trying to get it taken down any time soon. We do have to worry about BLP issues, but I don't see where this is one such scenario and I don't see where the people who would be harmed by any potential summaries have protested the film in the slightest.
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If there are specific problematic areas with the plot that seem unsourceable to the film itself, such as character motivations, those can be cited to reliable sources. Otherwise, I would think that the film itself as a primary source would be sufficient. We're merely recounting the plot points of a
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I've found enough sourcing to assert notability for the film, so that's not an issue anymore. Now it's just the synopsis. Ultimately I say that we should re-add it, edit it for length, and then make a fictional inaccuracy section for the article and source it with any of the various RS that are out
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Thanks everyone for your comments. My concern here is that movies and films that are based on true stories take liberties with those stories. They fictionalize them to some degree. Some films are fictionalized more than others. When a film portrays events in the life of a living person and uses the
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Just weighing in here- I'd say that a film synopsis should be included but that we should absolutely include a "factual inaccuracies" section that notes what has been changed, exaggerated, and/or is completely fictional in the film. It's normal to have a synopsis, although I do say that we should
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for the synopsis. This in itself is not a problem, provided an editor just sticks to summarising and doesn't add their own interpretation: watching a film and summarising its contents is no different to reading a book or an article and summarising its contents, which is basically how we build
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I don't think BLP concerns really apply. We are describing the plot summary of a film based on a real-life incident, not asserting actual facts about a living person. Even if there are factual inaccuracies in the film, we would still convey those factual inaccuracies as part of an accurate
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TV film here, not reporting what actually happened in the real world. In this article, readers should be able to find out what happens in the film, not what happened for real. If they wish to know about the real events, they can click on one of the appropriate links.
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description of the plot. That would possibly necessitate a "factual inaccuracies" section, but it is irrelevant as far as describing the plot goes. As for sourcing the plot summary, it is a convention to source it to the film itself (see
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Tokyogirl79 has made some very intelligent suggestions that would separate the movie from RL and would allay my concerns and provide fair treatment for the living person. --
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as an example of how an article can touch upon the subject of inaccuracies in a film of this nature. It's a stub, but it does address the topic in the reception section.
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asking interested parties to join this discussion. Thanks again, everyone, for your participation and your thoughtful and intelligent commentary. Best, --
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of the plot section is perhaps something that Knowledge:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#Plot summaries and
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will need to consider when it comes to plot sections based on living people. So I will also alert
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to this matter. When it comes to the plot material for film articles, all we need to do, per
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Yes, I was tempted to mention in my initial post above that the film might not pass the
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