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Here's a quote by
Ginsberg himself on the topic, from an interview by a great fan of his: “I’ve known Andrea since she was a student. I had a conversation with her when I said I’ve had many young affairs, 16, 17, or 18. I said, ‘What are you going to do, send me to jail?’ And she said, ‘You should
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Ginsberg (pacifist, sensitive poet, champion of the underdog) his being mugged at age 48 would have been a major life event. He wrote about it, and it was publicized. Why isn't it mentioned as part of his life? What impact did it have on him?
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