Talk:Allies of World War II/Archive 5

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is so often claimed (that would be China), numerically it did not surpass France either following the re-alignment of French North Africa. "It's clear that France didn't provide as much troops as Poland. All you have to do is add up the numbers in corresponding article about the two countries." The discrepancy is probably caused by the fact that people here include the Armia Krajowa in the numbers while neglecting to include the Forces Françaises de l'Intérieur in the French numbers. Although the difference between the contribution of the two countries is not that significant, and Poland did indeed contribute more given its resources (France had an empire), France was technically the larger contributor. The final numbers in 1945 place the amount of French Army troops (the former Resistance having largely been integrated in the army) at 1,250,000, while the total Polish numbers, including the various resistance groups, were at about 900,000 (this is including the resistance and not just the Polish Army forces in the west and east). Even adding the numbers for 1944 or 1943 (in which case the French Resistance would be included in the total) would show France having a larger contribution. (None of these numbers include the French Army of Indochina, which fought the Japanese following the coup of 9 March 1945.) Therefore, the statement that "France, before its defeat in 1940 and after Operation Torch was considered as a major ally, though Poland's commitment was, in fact, larger" is false in the 1939-1940 and 1942-1945 time periods and I recommend its removal.

850:--I propose the removal of this from the "original Allies" section: "Poland never officially surrendered to the Third Reich and the Polish government in exile after 1939 continued the Polish contribution to World War II on several fronts with hundreds of thousands of members in the Polish Army in France and UK, as well as the Home Army in occupied Poland. The Soviet Union however, did not recognize the government and in 1943 organized the Polish People's Army under Rokossovsky, around which eventually it constructed the post-war successor state the People's Republic of Poland in 1952." Why go into so detailed about Poland here? This can be explained more properly in a specific article about Poland during the war effort. Here it just seemed tacked on. At the same time, I could give a whole history about Free France, and state how France was split into two governments, the de facto Vichy government which formed the armistice with Germany, and the de jure Free French government which was the continuation of the French Third Republic, in which case it is TECHNICALLY correct to state that "France" did not formally surrender, but that the split de facto "French State", as in "Vichy France", did. My point is not to add that, my point is to show that this quotation on Poland's continuing efforts following 1939 should be listed elsewhere for organization purposes. I received a message from someone complaining of this edit when I removed it from the article, so I'm explaining here WHY I think it should be removed. -Johan 881:

himself during the Liberation of Paris; when the FFI leaders asked him to solemnly declare the reinstatement of the Republic, he refused, replying that the Republic had never ceased to exist (Is Paris Burning? - Larry Collins/Dominique Lapierre). As such, Free France was considered in the post-war world and in every French government since as the "real" de jure France, the continuation of the Third Republic. The idea that it was merely the "pre-Provisional Government" is an American notion, as during the time period, the United States recognized Vichy as the new French government (until 1943 with the foundation of the French Committee of National Liberation). (The United Kingdom only unofficially held contacts with Vichy, and considered Free France the official government of "French people continuing the war effort", but never quite muddled itself as much in these political affairs.) But in post-war France it was essentially established that Vichy France was an illegal government of traitors and Free France was the continuation of the Third Republic, and that's the way it's been seen since (in technical matters; the modern French educational system mainly teaches Vichy history, as Free France largely concerns the empire, most of which is no longer intact).

3333:, WP is not a democracy, so a third opinion may help to find a way from impasse, not to establish truth. We both want to find truth, so we are quite able to do that by ourselves. My point is that after defeat France became a Vichy puppet state, so most French colonies appeared under a pro-Axis country's jurisdiction. However, some colonies, e.g. Cameroun and French Equatorial Africa decided to support Free French. In that sense, Free French may be considered a separate belligerent, similar to Poland: although Poland was conquered, it never surrendered and it's government in exile continued fight (along with numerous troops fighting in different theatres). The only difference between Vichy pupper regime and Free French was that the former controlled a part of continental French territory (although it was just a visibility of control), and after Germany occupied France completely, both Vichy and Free French controlled just different parts of French colonial empire. Therefore, I conclude that Free French had all traits of independent state: government, territory, and armed forces (and, by contrast to Vichy, was really independent). Did I convince you? 2724:

political rearrangements" of these countries.", "Germany and the Soviet Union entered an intricate trade pact on February 11, 1940 that was over four times larger than the one the two countries had signed in August of 1939. The trade pact helped Germany to surmount a British blockade of Germany., "The Soviets also helped Germany to avoid British naval blockades by providing a submarine base, Basis Nord, in the northern Soviet Union near Murmansk. This also provided a refueling and maintenance location, and a takeoff point for raids and attacks on shipping. In addition, the Soviets provided Germany with access to the Northern Sea Route for both cargo ships and raiders (though only the raider Komet used the route before the German invasion), which forced Britain to protect sea lanes in both the Atlantic and the Pacific."

2423: 3756:" Although I agree with that, we have to maintain a balance between consistency and common sense. There is no need to list Soviet republics, both for formal and real reasons (formal reason was that they weren't independent politically, they had a right of secession, but couldn't declare a war on anyone. The USA's states had even no right of secession, btw. Real reason was that all Soviet Republics (except Moldavia and the Baltic republic) were more or less unified organism that fought as a single state; I believe, the same can be said about the USA). However, by omitting Tuva and Mongolia, for instance, our consistence goes against a common sense, because, since officially neither Tuva or Mongolia were not a Soviet republic we therefore declare that these two nations 1771:

somebody. I'm not claiming that the USSR was part of the Axis, or even a full scale ally, but a non-aggression pact plus an agreement to partion territory plus an armed invasion plus occupation does not a neutral make. I don't get your point about "largely unopposed", the success or failure of the opposition is irrelvant, it's the fact of an attack that matters. If the USSR had been neutral in September 1939 it would not have invaded Poland: if it had been on the side of the Allies it would have declared war on Germany as Britain, France, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Nepal and South Africa did. As mentioned when this first came up some months ago I am not wedded to any particular word or description as long as the one we have is factually accurate.

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de Gaulle considered himself the continuation of the French Republic, and indeed so did Prime Minister Paul Reynaud (who refused to take part in the French surrender and left the government, but not officially; he was afterward imprisoned by Petain), who gave de Gaulle money before de Gaulle's June 17th flight to London, and who in his 1955 memoirs wrote: "All he did was comply with my instructions as a legitimate minister of the only constitutional French government. Of course I couldn’t guess he would be that successful while we were going head-on to a Coup d’Etat..." As such, I'm going to modify the sentence in the Wiki subsection to stating the "fall of the Third Republic" rather than its surrender.

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Polish co-operation, letting Hitler take ALL of Poland, and partitioning for SOME of Poland, they chose the latter. Yes, the USSR attempted to re-conquer some of the territories taken from Imperial Russia by the Kaiser, a nasty and condemnable bit of business, but it had nothing to do with being allied with Hitler. I mean, Britain made an almost identical pact with Germany, a non-aggression pact and a partition of Czechoslovakia , and it would be preposterous to call that an "alliance". The claim that USSR and Germany were allies is popular with American pop-historians and European right-wingers, but it's completely and obviously false.

532:(1931). All of the existing Dominions had the ability to decline to take part in WW2. The Dominions had already show a willingness to disobey Britain in foreign policy, even before the Statute. And those that had ratified the Statute needed to make separate declarations of war in 1939, in order for them to be formally at war. Australia underlined this point in 1942 by backdating ratification to September 1939. South Africa, which had strong historical ties to Germany, almost stayed neutral. The Republic of Ireland, which was technically a Dominion at the time, remained neutral. 1691:

Manchuria and September 3 on Salhakin Island. And let's not deal with this crap they were protecting themselves- did we ally ourselves with Japan when we were still industrializing for the war? Of course not, we stood our ground and didn't say ok we'll be your friends and help you do whatever you want (we did give them raw materials and that was stupid, but its aside from the principle of the matter). And still, no one seems to be able to find a reason to combat this- if the Soviets were good, then WHY DID THEY EXPORT POLISH PEOPLE FOR SLAVE LABOR. Somebody answer this.--

3263:"" Tuvia and Mongolia were not independent and were not recognized by anybody but the USSR therefore they can not be included here. I don't know much about Newfoundland but perhaps it should be removed from the list also. Going back to the photo, I have no big objections if you want to remove the photo but please do not change Nazi Germany to Axis because Soviet Union was in agreement as far as an attack on Poland and other states in the area with the Nazi Germany ONLY and not other Axis states such as Italy or Japan. Regards.-- 2443: 4308:. Read the article. Countries that got invaded should also be listed especially if they had some sort of resistance afterward (i.e. Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Egypt, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, the Philippines, and Yugoslavia.) Mexico and Brazil are listed to add a Latin American worldview (considering that they are the only ones who contributed greatly among those countries). India is listed for a colonial perspective. while the former Axis (Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, and Finland) are added to balance it all out.-- 885:

correctly, Prime Minister Reynaud, who resigned because he wanted to continue the war effort from North Africa, did not officially resign (legally; rather, he merely fled and was later imprisoned); as such, Petain's coup d'etat was in fact TECHNICALLY unconstitutional (I state technically because one must keep in mind this was not at all so clear in the time period), and as such de Gaulle was TECHNICALLY correct when repeatedly stating he was the real French government. (De jure as opposed to de facto.)

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top of the page. I would suggest that Denmark be treated as an occupied country, similar to Iran as regards the Axis, and someone needs to provide a source for any subsequent declaration of war against Japan. As for Finland, their armed forces stopped fighting the USSR and did fight Germany, so were de facto members of the alliance. I'm still not sure they should be included as Allies, but then they are listed in the bottom section and it seems odd they're included in one and not the other.

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the Axis or a co-belligerant or an ally, but I'd say that the a new separate paragraph is warranted. For example, did Britain or anybody else declare war on the USSR after it invaded Poland? I've added "formerly a member of the Axis" to the USSR in the main listing in the meantime, since that is the phrase used elsewhere in the list. This is sometimes regarded as an embarrassing episode in the history of the USSR but it shouldn't be downplayed, it was central to the evolution of the War.

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Germany 2 days after the German invasion of Poland, not 2 years like Russia. And if they did take the latter so that Germany would not have all of Poland, then why did they export hundreds of thousands of Poles to Russia for slave labour, so that they all died in the GULAGS, and even after they declared war on Germany, the Poles were still treated like dogs? And you have no idea what you are talking about, The Kaiser did not take Finland or the Baltic States from the USSR. After WWI, the

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avoid a premature conflict between Germany and the SU). The Soviet Union also made more or less reasonable (to avoid confusion, some were reasonable, many were not) demands on Finland and Romania, the later being met, the first leading to the Winter War. Additionally the Baltic States were annexed. None of this really constitutes an alliance with Germany, though again there clearly was cooperation. I truly dislike such additions as they massively oversimplify the actual events.

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agree that the purpose of the section is to document who was and who wasn't a "major" ally- how are you defining major? To me, the purpose is to introduce the concept of the formal Alliance, the etymology of the term, what its composition was (including a mention of the mix between large and small countries, the contrast between the European theatre Alliance and that in the Pacific, etc.), who was in it, how it operated, what the consequences were. The statement

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France and the UK to send troops to Finland to aid against Soviet aggression (though they also planned on leaving troops stationed in Norway to hinder German access to Swedish iron). It was only after being attacked by Germany that the USSR joined the Allies, and even then it was out of necessity, basically an enemy-of-my-enemy thing. As soon as the German's (and Japanese) were defeated, they went right back to being their own again, hence the Cold War.

574: 3120:. I would prefer the first option, that of improving the article construction, over the renaming to "List of . . .". On a separate note, kudes to you, SilkTork, for the lede revamp! Excellent edits! Your note on the deletion of "Four Policemen", about this taking place about 1941 when the UN came about, gives a feel that it should be reincluded somehow in the last paragraph of the lede. I'll see if I can come up with something acceptable. 31: 1709:? And please stop the yelling. Concerning the Japan issue, formal military surrender seems to have been on September 2 1945, even then not all Japanese forces seem to have followed those orders (or were concerned by the orders). Lastly I recall the Soviet forces always offered surrender, there doesn't seem to have been an Armistice in Manchuria, but I'm far from an expert on events in the Pacific and Asia.-- 1200:, "Poland provided the fourth largest Allied army" (assuming after USSR, U.S. and Britain, but more than France). Obviously, there could be a better reference than a newspaper (although a good one) and an Oxford lecturer with a Polish name. I am adding back the note about Polish involvement with this reference. If somebody finds a better reference for or against this, please, update the text. -- 4095:, I don't propose you to change your mind. However, if I, for instance, have no arguments to support my opinion, I stop discussion and cease to express my opinion on that concrete subject. That does not necesserily mean that I changed my mind. That means that since I have nothing reasonable to say, I have no right to subtract others wrom their work.-- 334:, but it was not like Canada declaring war. It would be incorrect to assume that, for example, during the gap between the British and Indian declarations, the Indian authorities would not have acted to impound hypothetical German merchant shipping in Indian ports. I mean the Indian military was effectively part of the British military. 371:. I have to disagree that an independent India would have declared war on Germany, and I doubt that it would have declared war on Japan, unless it was invaded. The inclusion of colonies in the Declaration by United Nations was a propaganda exercise on the part of the colonial powers. It did not reflect any genuine independence. 3241:) were not recognized as an independent state at all. Nevertheless, Newfoundland is in the article. BTW, we already discussed this question, you know what my arguments are, you proposed no counter-arguments, and it is a little bit strange that you deleted Mongolia and Tuva without providing new arguments. It is not correct.-- 1931:

yugoslavian resistance even liberated the country alone, allthough it was mainly because the situation of the german army was deteriorating in other fronts. They only receives limited help from the soviet union. But in 1945, they were 800,000 and launch a real offensive in the balkans an eve nreach Italy and austria. clems78

517:. The Philippines did not control its own foreign affairs or defense in 1941-45. The U.S. even had the right to absorb all of the Philippine forces into the U.S. military, which it did in December 1941. Britain had no such control over Dominion armed forces (indeed it didn't even have that power in World War One). 3941:, you have to concede that some part of responsibility for that rests with you, because you started to implement the criteria for inclusion/exclusion too literally. Of course, you did that hoping to improve the article, however, as your edits started to contradict with a common sense, the result was the opposite. 1643:

nice guys. The area of eastern Poland that was annexed by the USSR did correspond with areas that had been lost by Imperial Russia in WWI and then the Russo-Polish war. Finland and the Baltics left with mutual consent, but I wasn't talking about Finland and the Baltics, I was talking about Eastern Poland.

3281:, we have to be consistent. If even British dominions are named explicitly, Tuva and Mongolia should also be named. Remember, during those time majority of present day's states were colonies, so the number of really independent states was not so large. Were Tuva or Mongolia someone's colonies in 1939-45? 4036:

Pauld, I said everything I think about it already and I will not change my mind. I strongly believe that I'm right but I will respect the decision of the majority of the editors once there is one. Right now there is no clear majority on either side...just mess. Free France was not a country and Tuvia

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flexible implementation of the above criterion (that is vague, btw. During WWII time, membership in various bureaucratic organisations, or signing some declarations was not sufficient to be independent. In addition, since most minor countries were influenced by larger countries/empires, it is hard to

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the situation "though poland commitment was larger" shall be removed: frenc army had 1,300,000 soldiers in 1945 (412,000 in germany and 40,000 in the alps) while poland only had 900,000. And poland had 2 millions men serving in military units including the resistance for the entire war, France had 5

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No need to explain after all, see discussion above. Still, 1) USSR and Germany were never allies, 2) USSR did not attack together and cooperation between both armies was minimal, 3) even co-belligerent would be over simplifying, 4) non aggression pact would be the only factual option as anything more

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list Finland, since it was co-belligerent. for the sake of symmetry, shouldn't Italy be listed here (and as an Allie in the WW-II template) since Italy was an Allied co-belligerent? From the time magazine article footnote "Italy declared war on Germany 35 days after surrendering to the Allies, became

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be a member of the Axis as one of the principles of that alliance was to oppose communism. In 1939 and to much lesser degrees 1940/41 the Soviet Union cooperated with Germany (for indeed very complex reasons), including the invasion/occupation of Eastern Poland but with minimal cooperation (mostly to

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First, thank you for opening up this dialogue. My intent was to immediately illustrate what I feel to be the key point- that the nature of shifting alliances during a conflict like World War II is very, very complex. It was not intended as POV edit to downplay French and Soviet contributions. I don't

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says "In 1936 Bahawalpur stopped paying tribute and openly declared independence." If someone has different information I would be interested to see it. While I agree that the "treatment of Filipinos were separate from the Americans", that is part of being a colonial country as much as an independent

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article is the place for non-independent countries. I'm not sure what you mean about the Czechoslovakian government-in-exile; it was recognised internationally and lots of governments-in-exile did not control their territory. Bahawalpur seems to have been the only part of the Indian subontinent which

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The article claims that Newfoundland was an independent member of the British Commonwealth. This is surely incorrect - at the time of the declaration of war (1939), Newfoundland was a not British colony. Conversely, even though the British Indian Empire was governed from London, there was a separate

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says: "The commonwealth would have its own constitution and be self-governing, though foreign policy would be the responsibility of the United States, and certain legislation required the approval of the American president." That made The Philippines in 1935-46 unable to declare war in its own right.

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I'm on the fence on whether to move India up or to keep it where it is now. Yes, it did join the war along with the British empire but by signing the declaration, it gets a say on the events of the war. When it signed the treaty, it was treated less of a colony and more of dominion so when it signed

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I think you are absolutely right. I would say the dates for joining the Allies should be shown explicitly for every country, because the way the joining the Allies is described in the article is somewhat misleading: for instance, a reader may conclude that there was a direct connection between D-Day

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Yugoslavia didn't have a regular army after its invasion like france or even poland...But still, the yugoslavian resistance was impressive and acted as a strong paramilitary organization (recognized by the allies) that did really good job, even if the german army wasn't so present in yugoslavia. The

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Please explain how it is false. A non-aggression pact plus an agreement to partition territory does not an alliance make; Britain did exactly the same thing in 1938, and it would be preposterous to call Britain and Germany allies. The Soviets may have technically been "co-belligerent" for a few days

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There is a real problem on this article in the way that the Soviet Union is handled. The USSR was an ally of Germany in September 1939 and invaded Poland, this making it on Axis side not the Allied side. I'm not enough of an expert to be able to know whether the USSR was a technically a member of

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Yeah, the statement that Poland contributed more than France to the Allied effort is only true proportionately, as simply adding all the numbers of French troops post-Operation Torch outnumbers the Polish contribution. Besides the fact that Poland did not provide the "fourth largest contribution" as

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It's better now that there's a portion denoting the history of France during the war I suppose, but there's one thing I disagree with: the French Third Republic did not surrender. The French Third Republic was overthrown by the Vichy French State following the Petainist coup d'etat. As I said above,

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My personal opinion was that this should be left to the Free France topic, and correspondingly the discourse in the "Original Allies" section should be left to the Polish Contribution in WWII topic for organizational purposes. Perhaps leave links stating to see "Free France" and "Polish Contribution

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The designation of Free France as a continuation of the Third Republic is fairly legally established as well, considering de Gaulle was the last member of the Third Republic government to be safe from imprisonment (when in disagreement) by the Petainist coup d'etat. I should note that, if I remember

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It seems more accurate to place Greek's entrance into the Allied Forces around early 1941, not 1940. During the initial invasion, the Greeks held their own independantly. The Greeks were initially mistrustful of Churchill's intentions of putting Allied Forces back on European soil. Not the sort of

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But there is no list of declarations of war in that article; the Allies are simply a list of countries. And -- apart from the fact that it wasn't an independent country in 1941 -- I can't find evidence of a declaration of war by the Philippines in 1941. It seems that the country was automatically at

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played a major role in the conlict but is not represented in the Allies portion of the template at the bottom of the page. So could anyone add the Philippines, which, at the time, is the only other country there that is either independent or partially independent other than Thailand. I mean if India

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Denmark is listed as an ally from 9 April 1940, and as the Denmark? section above says, they didn't declare war, and the king and government remained in Denmark. Meanwhile, Finland is listed as a participant on the Allied side from 1944 at the bottom of the page, but isn't listed as an ally at the

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Near the head of this article is a paragraph stating 'Within the ranks of the Allied powers, the British Empire, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the United States of America were known as "The Big Three".' Alongside this is a photo captioned 'The "Big Three": Joseph Stalin, Franklin D.

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as a government at the time is quite beside the point. The same authority that negotiated that treaty for the Czechoslovaks eventually did get recognized as a government, so there's a continuity there that shouldn't be ignored. The absolute latest you can really put the thing is December 1939, by

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Please don't call me stupid. And please don't accuse me of suggesting the Soviet Union was great (I think you meant the Soviet Union, and not the Russian people in general). Obviously they committed major atrocities. The question was whether the USSR was aligned with the Axis, not whether they were

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I would greatly appreciate it if some of the fine editors here could educate me as to why France is considered a major ally and Poland is not. Also, this may be something of a semantics debate but I think Poland and France were not "Allies" in the same sense as Nepal and Honduras were "Allies." I'm

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There's no other section below where it would be easily inserted. Are you suggesting we create a section specially for the creation of the United Nations as a result of the alliances of World War II? While I would not be adverse to that, it seems like an even more significant change than to mention

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Both Hawaii and Alaska were not yet admitted to the United States at the time of the war so they could be listed separately since they already had a constitution and a functioning government at the time, similar to Newfoundland and Puerto Rico. With regards to colonies, they should be treated on a

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I actually agree on not double counting (even though France and Yugoslavia previously were) but I'm not sure if it has to be about independence precisely. The problem with this is that it excludes Asian colonies that did major contributions but are excluded because they were not independent at the

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The aim is consistency and there needs to be some kind of criteria. The "independence" criteria was intended, as far as I can tell, to prevent double counting. Note that the 15 Soviet republics were all nominally sovereign republics, but it would not be appropriate to list all fifteen individually

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I really don't get the reason why it is necessary for a participant has to be independent since two of them already broke that rule. It also doesn't feel right in the historical context since there was no requirement to become an allied power in that war. I think the more logical criteria would be

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The Soviet Union was never a member of the Axis and was never allied with Germany. They signed a non-aggression pact and agreed to carve up Poland, after Stalin was unable to forge a unified front against Germany with the Western Allies. Facing a choice between fighting Germany alone, without even

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Someone reverted your edit anyway and I strongly disagree to put it there as you suggest. To my knowledge India and China (counted as Allies) still provided more troops then Poland. For sure Poland was the 3rd biggest European Ally (after USSR and GB). It's clear that France didn't provide as much

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That depends on who you're speaking to. Charles de Gaulle fully considered the Free French government as the continuation of the French Third Republic, and was his main points of discussion in such places as the Brazzaville Manifesto of 27 October 1940. This principle is precisely how he conducted

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the Germany's ally during 1939-41 is shamy. In addition, it was an outstanding Stalin's stupidity to consider a possibility of any kind of Nazi-Soviet alliance, because, had the four power Axis be victorious (and it would be victorious for sure) the next Japanese and Germany's victim would be the

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I think the best way to think of it is that the USSR essentially represented a third side which made alliances with whomever was convenient. Early on, the USSR was considered by the Allies to be in the Axis camp if not officially, then by action; during the Winter War, there was consideration by

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in particular needs a citation. Much of the content currently reads like it was written by FDR's mum or something- why is he mentioned twice? I do have to disagree on one point- I see it as very important to state clearly that the Alliance was not stable and that indeed some erstwhile Axis powers

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2) Seems to be an attempt to minimalise the French and Soviet contributions. To a degree this was already present (France's double major power status in 1939/40 and again from 1944 onwards). In any case this didn't add anything useful to the article (maybe it would fit in the body, but not in the

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photos reflecting well known, or not well known facts about the Allies. Therefore, the picture must reflect some really outstanding event to be included into the article. A military parade in Brest cannot be even compared with the Big Three's meeting. With regards to Nazi-Soviet cooperation, the

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Molotov-Ribbentrov pact was not just "non-aggression pact", go to see wikipedia article!!!! "addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol dividing Northern and Eastern Europe into German and Soviet spheres of influence, anticipating potential "territorial and

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I think it is debatable whether or not Australia, Belarus, Canada, India, Newfoundland, New Zealand, the Philippines, Russia (as the Soviet Union), South Africa, and Ukraine are independent at that time but it is moot since all (except Newfoundland) are founding members of the United Nations and

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Well you can't blame Poland, the Red Army never pulls out of anywhere when told to, so Poland didn't want to let them in and when the Russians went bad they wouldn't leave when told. I mean, the armistance for Japan was agreed on August 14, right? Soviet solgiers kept fighting until August 22 in

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Well, poland had less soldiers than france (900,000 on all front in 1945 against 1,500,000 for france, including sailors and others...), I think poland was only the fourth western ally. They contributed a bit more than france for the resistance and much more for the intelligence services (really

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deleted the part about "though Poland's commitment was, in fact, larger." because it did not have a citation (there was a tag, added, I believe, by me). We could delete 80% of the article following the same rule. Does anybody know of any sources that would allow comparison of the involvement of

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My point is that the idea that Free France was not the direct heir to the French Third Republic (or continuation of it) is primarily an American influence, and that usually Free France is in fact considered the continuation of the Republic and the legal French government. As such, while for all

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The article records India as joining the war at the UN declaration in 1942. This is certainly not the case as Indian troops fought in many 1941 theatres. India signed the declaration, but then so did Britain, and it certainly joined the war before then ;-) I would assume that India joined when

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As far as I know, Nepal was officially neutral throughout the war, and it did not declare war against any member of the Axis. Nepalese soldiers fought in the British Commonwealth ranks were foreign soldiers recruted by the British. Based on these reasons I decide to remove Nepal from the list.

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To me, it does not seem like you could be more wrong, or stupid for that matter. It's not that it wasn't able to get a pact with the western allies, it's that the western allies weren't able to get a pact with Stalin. Britain did not do the same thing as Russia did because THEY DECLARED WAR on

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By the way, obviously no Allied power declared war on the SU over the Winter War. Though there were obviously some considerations to that effect. The most notable outside contribution to the Winter War would be volunteers from Sweden and Norway sent to Finland (or assembling to be sent). (Just

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Hey Paul, the picture is there to reflect not well known fact of Nazi-Soviet alliance during the invasion of Poland in 1939. I think it should stay. Also, give some thought as far as Tuvia ad Mongolia as members of the Allies , because these countries were not independent at the time and were

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It is false because the USSR invaded Poland in formally agreed cooperation with Germany. The invasion was followed by continuous military occupation of Poland until the German attack. If that's not a co-belligerent I'm not sure what is, and by definintion you cannot be neutral if you invade

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Just to note that LtWinters seems to ignore the pre WWII alliance talks involving France, Poland and the Soviet Union. Poland indeed left the Soviets few options when it denied them access to their territory in case of war with Germany. It's only after these decisions (and the partitioning of

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Well, see, I would argue that it should be an even earlier date. I would put the date at the time Czechoslovak troops actually became pledged to ally through treaty. Hence 2 October 1939 — the date of the Osusky treaty that allowed the reformation of the Czechoslovak army in France — is the

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and treated a "allied countries" with separate and equal status from the United Kingdom and the United States, therefore, in the historical perspective, they should be listed as separate allies, since their sovereignty or lack there of did not prevent them from such participation. A further

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in WWII" for more information on the fates of the two Allied nations? Or, indeed, one COULD elaborate more on this subject and add the full description (such as that which I stated previously) on France to coincide with the Polish paragraph. I just don't know if that would be efficient.

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Hey I think the dates when India and the Philippines joined the war should remain because while both states did not have full sovereignity at the time, they do now and they would have had that earlier if it weren't for the war. Besides, they both have enough foreign policy to join the

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A President and constitution does not necessarily mean independence. The title "President" was used in some British colonies. Several British colonies gained self-government under their own constitutions in the 1850s. A constitution makes a state, it doesn't necessarily make an

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Anything goes now 23prootie. Unfortunately this article lost it's purpose. It was originally created to list INDEPENDENT countries that compromised the Allies. In my opinion you can go ahead now, list all the Soviet Republics and US individual States if you want, and since

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I understand your concern, however I think these events are easily recognised milestones (at least in the English speaking world) in the timeline of WW2. I don't see that they imply some kind of cause and effect relationship between the milestone and the subsequent events.

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I don't think that it's at all debatable whether those countries were independent: the self-governing dominions such as Australia and Canada were totally independent of the UK and the sub-elements of the USSR were not at all independent of the central government in Moscow.

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Well it's quite obvious you're not an expert, an armistance is an armistance, its like saying the Germans could have fought the allies after Nov 11 1918 because Versailles wasn't signed. The Japanese were falling back the whole time. They were trying to stop the

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Agreed. On the Allied side, only the (majority of the) Commonwealth and China were in from the beginning all the way to the end. Everyone else (who was not conquered) had significant moments of neutrality, co-belligerence or outright partnership with the Axis.

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Roosevelt and Winston Churchill'. I suspect that both uses of the phrase "Big Three" hold but feel that this fact should be made clear in the text. Also the placement of the definite article - inside or outside the quote mark - may or may not be important. --

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at the time and although it had limited self-government, it did not have an independent foreign or defense policy until 1946. In other words, it was more independent than India at the time, but was not capable of declaring war on Japan in its own right. See the

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which is currently on the article was almost completely unknown to the general public during the great majority of the time that the fighting was going on. The "United Nations Honour Flag" (Four Freedoms flag) would have been better known during the war...

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Actually, if you were following closely, I was editing the article to fit my criteria (with the specific intention of keeping India and the Philippines on the article seperate from the US or UK), so if my suggestion is followed the article might stay the

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Sorry, cannot agree. The non-aggression pact is not a military alliance. In addition, no country declared a war on the USSR in Sept 1939. In that sense, i fully agree with Caranorn's opinion (see above). I reverted your changes, and restored Tuva and

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That wording makes some sense to me, and I have seen the Allies referred to as the 'Allied powers' and the Axis as the 'Axis powers'. I suspect that the wording should be 'Some sources group these countries as being the 'Allied powers' or similar.

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Czechoslovakia) that the Soviet Union started looking for other alternatives. None of those of course were aimed at an alliance with Germany, at best to gain time until the inevitable conflict with Germany would finally occur. And the mention of

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When have the Allied Powers ever been referred to as the "Axis Powers"? Never. I'm not sure how this sentence is supposed to read, but I know that the United Nations have never been referred to as "Axis Powers". Perhaps it was supposed to read:

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Potsdam is 1945. It led to the creation of the Council of Foreign Ministers and the United Nations Security Council. The UN was formed in October 1945, and the UNSC met in early 1946. These are significant matters to the resolution of the war.

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practical purposes France under the French State DID surrender, the surrender itself technically did not happen because the de jure France, that is, Free France, did not surrender. It's all a matter of technicalities versus practicalities.

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in 1939, when they invaded Poland from the East largely unopposed, but there was very little fighting by that time anyway. Indeed, even the line which I inserted about "friendly relations" is something of a sop to historical myth-makers.

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the war. It still bothers me how there was an insistence it was a post-War organization. While they did not meet formally as the UNSC until after the cessation of hostilities, all of this was produced during the war, and they met as the

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because I have noticed that you reinserted that information. Free France or Free French Forces were NOT an independent state. It was an organization of French soldiers created by de Gaulle's and based in London, England similar to the

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Why is Czechoslovakia listed as entering the war on December 16, 1941? Is there a source for this? It seems to be counter-intuitive, given that Czech units in exile fought in France, in the RAF during the Battle of Britain and later.

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You are mistaken, Denmark didn't declare war against Japan following its liberation from Hitlerite occupation. The last time Denmark officially considered itself to be at a state of war was during the Second Schleswig War (1864).

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Newfoundland ceased to be a British Colony in 1907 and became a Dominion in the British Empire. Although self government was revoked in 1934, Dominion status was never legally repealed until 1949 when Newfoundland joined Canada.

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That is ridiculous because these countries' help to the USSR, and, therefore, their military contribution was much greater than that of fully independent, but purely formal Allies (like many Latin American signatories of the UN

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provisional Russian government allowed republics to leave the USSR if they desired so, although they later incorporated the Baltic States under force. It is absoloutely absurd to suggest that the Russians were good before 1941.

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I'd like to see a citation on that. In any case, the current state of affairs is misleading, and might lead people to believe that India took no part until 1942. Doubly misleading to say that the "British Raj" joined in 1942.

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Indian declaration of war (all other British colonies were deemed to have declared war upon the UKs declaration) and therefore India should be included. Not being an expert, is there anyone who can clarify this ? Thanks--

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whether it is major or not. I also re-edited the section on Poland to neatly wrap up the few noteworthy points between the invasion of 1939 and the Battle of Berlin in 1945. I hope you like it. Feedback welcome.

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The fact is that the word Allied is in POV from my point of view, as it is skewed from the view of the winning side. Wouldn't Japan and Germany have been allied powers too? And the U.S.A and France Axis powers!

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impressives) but less for the ground forces and the navy. For the air force i don't know, because poland had many pilots but all of them were in the RAF while france had an independent (officially) air force.

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You know, I do not appreciate you deleting the reference as "silliness." You might think it is silly, but you are mischaracterizing a valid direct result of World War II. You are also on the verge of violating

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Besides, all Allies(aside from former Axis who switched side) later became founding members of the UN, whilst Nepal was only accepted later. That further proves the point that Nepal was a neutral state during

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Somebody has removed the "formerly a member of the Axis" from the USSR,which is slightly surprising since the point is under debate. What phrase would be most appropriate? To leave it blank is misleading.

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troops as Poland. All you have to do is add up the numbers in corresponding article about the two countries. I don't care whether it's major enough or not. The thing is, that the number is given and it's the

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Soviet troops only entered Poland (several weeks after the Axis) when the Polish military formally abandoned Poland for surrounding regions, Britian, etc. Does it still count as an "invasion" by the USSR?

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Thirdly, in connection to common sense, you didn't respond my argument: Tuva and Mongolia formally didn't belong to the USSR, therefore, by removing them from the list we claim that these two nations

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World War II" because to me it implies an organisation that existed before and/or after the war. And "the Allies of World War II" is a common term whereas "the Axis of World War II" is not. Axis is an

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therefore are genuinely accepted members of the Allies with equal standing with countries France, Argentina, Mexico and the US. Also colonies that are represented by the Comintern should be included.

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There are now about 200 independent states in the world. Most of them were not independent in WW2. Many of these still contributed to the Allies in some way. We have to draw the line somewhere. The

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This article is already a BIG MESS and there is more nonsense to come. I tagged it for an expert attention because I can't argue anymore about Free France being a country and other nonsense like

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links you introduced already give a reader all needed information, so I see no reason to spoil the article's structure by adding a photo poorly connected with the main article's subject.

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In the opening sentance of the section on the Oslo Group, it says "The Oslo Group was an organisation of officially neu as governments in exile". What exactly is this supposed to mean?

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Could anybody explain me a relevance of this picture to this concrete article? I am asking because the article contains just very basic photos depicting major leaders of the Allies.--

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Can someone tell me why the Americian colonies and territories (Guam, American Samoa) etc are listed separately, when the major British colonies (Newfoundland, Rhodesia etc) are not?

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So, no, I don't think putting them as co-belligerent is to much. In the grander scale of mid-20th century history, they were basically just a co-belligerent of the Allies as well.

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actually joined the Alliance as the war progressed, just as some erstwhile Allies joined the Axis, and just as some neutrals changed their minds and joined one or the other.

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would lead to a full section of added material to explain the situation. It would not belong in the intro in any case and is already included at the Soviet entry to WWII.--

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should be added to Australia too, since it had a similar status as Hawaii and Alaska, and like Hawaii, was directly attacked by the Japanese. Perhaps we should also add

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claries everything clearly showing the colony (and Vietnam) as part of the allies. And it's too extreme to add every U.S. state so where did that suggestion came from?--

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I've returned this to "co-belligerent" in the article. Somebody had changed it to "formerly neutral pursuing friendly relations with the Axis", which is simply false.

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the war. That power structure was formalized between October 1945 and the UN Security Council's first meeting in January 1946. This is a direct result of the war. --

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than a regular article. I suggest that either it is constructed as a prose article, in which the lists are put in context and explained, or the title is changed to

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I like consistency, and I always support changes that makes an article more consistent, provided that, but only provided that it is not contrary to common sense.--

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Liechtenstein and the Vatican were neutral in WW II. Does anyone know the status of Andorra, Monaco, and the Sovereign Military Order of Malta during this war?

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The template is a separate page and you should raise the matter there. By the way, I have just removed the Philippines from the list of declarations as it was a

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and Mongolia were not independent. If you think they should be included in that list then go ahead but remove "independent states" from the lead. That is all.--

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was not independent at the time, the historical treatment of Filipinos were separate frm the Americans, that's why they should be mentioned, Also what about

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Finald was indeed a pawn of the Axis powers. It was a staging ground for invasion of the USSR from the north. Troops, tanks, etc were stationed in Finland.

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here, as they were collectively known as the USSR. Your suggestion is interesting, how would this list in the article change if we applied your criteria?--

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Second, this criterion is not a policy, it was set by some WP editor, and we are quite able to circumvent it when and where it goes against common sense.

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I'm adding Ethiopia at the very to since it had a significant yet understated contribution to the war. I also find Haile Selassie's speech as chilling.--

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doing "a lot" for the Alliance. We shall leave it up to the experts because no arguments will get to some editors who were involved in the discussion.--

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time so I highly suggest avoiding that criteria. About the Soviet republics, maybe they should be listed based on participation and contribution. The

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were relevant faction there.) Fine I'll remove French Indochina (I don't get how a major combatant not be considered as an Allied or an Axis power.--

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article. Sating that the war started in Poland doesn't seem to be related to the purpouse of this section, that is to list the major participants.

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attitude one would expect from an ally. See J. Lee Ready's "Forgotten Allies" Vol. I, pg 46-47. If anyone can find a better date, let me know.

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I too am sceptical about including Denmark. There was no government-in-exile and Denmark, admittedly under German occupation, joined the

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beginning of the military alliance between Czechoslovakia and the Allies. The fact that neither France nor Britain had recognized the

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recognised as independent only by the USSR and each other. The list should contain ONLY states that were fully independent. Thanks--

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Petercorless, I accept that France was major ally in 1944-45, but I would like a reference realting to that period, not from 1946.

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P.S. We will move on later to Soviet-German cooperation/alliance in 1939 which opened the way to WW2. Thanks and all the best.--

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I think we could have a few, economical pars on the French situation, which is why I created sub-section for it.

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The British Governmnet of India was also a member of both of those. India was not independent either.

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Soviet Union: 22 June 1941 (previously at war with Poland, as a co-combatant of Nazi Germany)

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The silliness was not in reference to your edits but to edits emanating from an IP address.

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Well, that sounds reasonable. I'll try to think about that and answer a little bit later.--

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noticed I misread that, no DOW over the Soviet invasion/occupation of Eastern Poland).--

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The earlier date sounds reasonable and a bit more sensible than the date I had chosen.

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At the top of the page there's all that weird text, I'd fix it but I don't know how. --

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It seems to have been was roughly equivalent to Australia, Canada or the other British

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I agree, for much the same reasons you list. Denmark does not belong on the list. --

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I really find it strange that pretty much every other country with the exemption of

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Paul, will you stop this recrimination, you have to accept some responsibility too.

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I don't get how Hawaii is like the Northern Territory. It's more like Tuva to me.--

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If noone explain me why this picture is relevant for the article, I'll remove it.--

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Let's not forget they INVADED POLAND AND FINLAND, AND SLAUGHTERED INNOCENT PEOPLE.

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You cannot be right if your arguments are flawed. When I start a discussion I am

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refusal to address my new arguments is not a good way to come to any consensus.--

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San Marino declared war on Germany and Japan after Italy declared for the Allies

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I will not repeat my other arguments, my only comment is that maintaining that "

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who wanted to be flexible on the criteria which was already in place , not me.--

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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That is what the article is about. The capacity to join the allies voluntarily

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since it was meant to be independent long before World War 2 according to the

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independence. The Philippines became a member of the Allies when the US did.

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I don't see anything wrong with the title. Originally there was one aricle,

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is there also you can list other military units or organizations including

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I don't want to revert you but I'm afraid you are wrong 23prootie. Sorry.--

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Because he didn't want a colonizer to replace another (follow this thread

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which the Philippines already had at the time including the last one. See

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was independent of Britain and declared war ins own right; the article

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PS. Probably, it would be better to change the article's structure to

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With regards to Mongolia and Tuva, again, the British dominions (e.g.

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The "Four Freedoms flag" or "United Nations Honour Flag" ca. 1943-1948

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and Tuvia were not independent...or not even a state (Free France).

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Just to explain why I reverted and to offer a basis for discussion.

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Will you stop getting rid of mentions of the UN Security Council? --

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The aim is consistency and there needs to be some kind of criteria.

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I believe the phrase "co-belligerent" is sufficient and factual.

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I see Hawaii and Alaska has been added separately, in that case

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Er, no? Look, the term is commonly used and widely understood.

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Paul, don't blame me for this mess. The criteria was there -

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Similarly, if we remove Free France, we therefore claim that

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article, but it was a dead link. So I'm still looking for a

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WHAT IS GOING ON HERE AGAIN ??? This is nonsense!! Stop this.

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It wouldn't really be such a big adjustment; we already have

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The United Kingdom did declare war against Finland though.

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Next we will talking about the Berlin Airlift or some other

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controversy, and it is you who should be credited for that.

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Lebanon is listed as joining the Allies on 27 January 1944

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the War. Might we consider modifying the title to "Allies

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before 1931, when Britain controlled their foreign policy.

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and all the French and British colonies in Africa too? --

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This is rather tenuous to include French Indochina here,

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No, it was not formed during WW2. Please stop adding it.

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Finland may therefore be regarded as an ally of the UN.

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Anyone have any ideas what this is supposed to mean?

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Paul, look right before the lead of this article: ""

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