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Thanks, it looks good. I agree that it should be more botanically explanatory. I always hesitate with botanical terms because I'm self taught and I worry that I'll make a mistake in usage since I still have gaps and oversights in my understanding of things like "carpel" (or think that I do). I think
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Well, here's the new diagram. It's certainly an improvement, but the labels seem to me to be "inside out", all from the point of view of the highly derived apple structure, with only "pedicel", "seed", "pistil", "remnant stamens..." as indirect clues to what I'd expect to see, viz. "seed", "carpel",
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it would be more useful if I cut it down to just the species and homotypic synonyms, but even at that I have my doubts. I love being able to see the order in which all these synonyms were published and I've learned some fascinating things including that "monstrosity" used to be a rank.
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