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First of all, I want you to know, that has nothing to do with you or your content. I appreciate you work. The other US sales of her albums are in their entirely, while "Positions" has only it's first two weeks and the first half of 2021. The source of the rest of the 2020's numbers isn't available.
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I think it's silly and would like to know where this comes from too. There is no rule or guideline that says we should have to wait until a certain period of time is over before adding sales, and is likely something
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There is no rule stating that if a sales figure looks too bad or low, then it must be excluded. Secondly, if you believe that Grande is not a pure sales artist, then the column should not exist entirely. This halfway measure where we can only include "good" numbers but not any numbers that are too
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