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767:"Frustrated with watch and ward duty, Singh wanted to be in the thick of action. He met the Commander-in-Chief, India, General (later Field Marshal) Claude Auchinleck during his visit to Kohat in the North-West Frontier Province. The squadron was then inducted into the war and moved to Imphal in early 1944." Did Singh request the sqd's transfer? If so, state this 293:"Frustrated with watch and ward duty, Singh wanted to be in the thick of action. He met the Commander-in-Chief, India, General (later Field Marshal) Claude Auchinleck during his visit to Kohat in the North-West Frontier Province. The squadron was then inducted into the war and moved to Imphal in early 1944." Did Singh request the sqd's transfer? If so, state this 42: 595:"In January 2002, Singh was conferred the rank of Marshal of the Indian Air Force, the first and only officer of the IAF to receive the honour." Suggest rewording to "In January 2002, the rank of Marshal of the Indian Air Force was conferred on Singh, the first and only officer of the IAF to receive the honour." 207:"In January 2002, Singh was conferred the rank of Marshal of the Indian Air Force, the first and only officer of the IAF to receive the honour." Suggest rewording to "In January 2002, the rank of Marshal of the Indian Air Force was conferred on Singh, the first and only officer of the IAF to receive the honour." 750:- Researched and rectified the timeline. This happened before his transfer to No 2 Sqn. (He was serving with No 1 Squadron and flew Wapitis. The sqn also had Audax on inventory. He was shot down while flying an Audax. He subsequently went to No 2 squadron and came back to No 1 Sqn, which by now had converted.) 526:
Cites are not generally required in the lead. Why do the statements "He was the first and only officer of the Indian Air Force to be promoted to five-star rank as Marshal of the Indian Air Force, equal to the army rank of Field Marshal" and "For his distinguished service in commanding the IAF during
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Cites are not generally required in the lead. Why do the statements "He was the first and only officer of the Indian Air Force to be promoted to five-star rank as Marshal of the Indian Air Force, equal to the army rank of Field Marshal" and "For his distinguished service in commanding the IAF during
648:"Singh entered the RAF College Cranwell in 1938. At the College, he was the Vice Captain of the swimming, athletic and hockey teams." This needs a cite. Source 6 supports both statements, although only states that Singh was VC of the swimming and athletic teams, not the hockey team 232:"Singh entered the RAF College Cranwell in 1938. At the College, he was the Vice Captain of the swimming, athletic and hockey teams." This needs a cite. Source 6 supports both statements, although only states that Singh was VC of the swimming and athletic teams, not the hockey team 527:
the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, he was awarded the Padma Vibhushan and in 1966 became the first IAF officer to be promoted to Air Chief Marshal" have cites? I don't think there's anything particularly controversial about either of them. Also, I don't think Bharat Rakshak is a
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the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, he was awarded the Padma Vibhushan and in 1966 became the first IAF officer to be promoted to Air Chief Marshal" have cites? I don't think there's anything particularly controversial about either of them. Also, I don't think Bharat Rakshak is a
616:"Singh's family had been among those that had settled there after being allotted agricultural land by the administration" Suggest rewording to "Singh's family were among those who settled in the Punjab after being allotted agricultural land by the administration" 220:"Singh's family had been among those that had settled there after being allotted agricultural land by the administration" Suggest rewording to "Singh's family were among those who settled in the Punjab after being allotted agricultural land by the administration" 563:"He then commanded Air Force Station, Ambala in the rank of Group Captain" Suggest rewording to "He then commanded Air Force Station, Ambala as Group Captain" OR "He then commanded Air Force Station, Ambala at the rank of Group Captain" 195:"He then commanded Air Force Station, Ambala in the rank of Group Captain" Suggest rewording to "He then commanded Air Force Station, Ambala as Group Captain" OR "He then commanded Air Force Station, Ambala at the rank of Group Captain" 1043:"Singh remained active and worked for the welfare of air force veterans. He set up a trust in 2004 by contributing Twenty million rupees from his personal wealth to it. He was considered a father figure of the service" -: --> 460:"Singh remained active and worked for the welfare of air force veterans. He set up a trust in 2004 by contributing Twenty million rupees from his personal wealth to it. He was considered a father figure of the service" -: --> 579:"In 1958, the post was upgraded to Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief in the rank of Air Vice Marshal." Suggest rewording to "In 1958, the post was upgraded to Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief at the rank of Air Vice Marshal." 201:"In 1958, the post was upgraded to Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief in the rank of Air Vice Marshal." Suggest rewording to "In 1958, the post was upgraded to Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief at the rank of Air Vice Marshal." 1144:
Thanks for your hard work Zwerubae. Happy to pass such a fantastic article. I'll let the Bharat Rakshak source go for now, but be aware it may be challenged if you take this to A-class/FA review. Best wishes
80: 746:"While flying with the squadron in NWFP, Singh's Hawker Audax was shot down by the Pathans" If the sqd had re-equipped with Hurricanes, why was Singh flying an Audax? 282:"While flying with the squadron in NWFP, Singh's Hawker Audax was shot down by the Pathans" If the sqd had re-equipped with Hurricanes, why was Singh flying an Audax? 70: 1057:- Changed to "The Air Force Sports Control Board organises an annual Marshal Arjan Singh Memorial All India Hockey Tournament" since it is an ongoing tournament. 1044:"Singh remained active and worked for the welfare of air force veterans, contributing twenty million rupees from his personal wealth to set up a trust to this end 461:"Singh remained active and worked for the welfare of air force veterans, contributing twenty million rupees from his personal wealth to set up a trust to this end 640:"Singh was educated at Montgomery, British India (now in Pakistan)" Suggest rewording to Singh was educated at Montgomery, British India (now Sahiwal, Pakistan)" 229:"Singh was educated at Montgomery, British India (now in Pakistan)" Suggest rewording to Singh was educated at Montgomery, British India (now Sahiwal, Pakistan)" 688:"Singh was commissioned as a Pilot Officer in December 1939, after topping the course among his batch of Indian Cadets" What course? "flight training course"? 254:"Singh was commissioned as a Pilot Officer in December 1939, after topping the course among his batch of Indian Cadets" What course? "flight training course"? 47: 943:"Singh led the IAF during the war showing unparalleled leadership and remained cool and inspirational throughout the war" This is in danger of violating 391:"Singh led the IAF during the war showing unparalleled leadership and remained cool and inspirational throughout the war" This is in danger of violating 1110:- The Bharat Rakshak database is compiled from publicly available sources like Library archives, awards lists and Gazette of India Notifications, etc. 1035:"Singh remained active and worked for the welfare of air force veteran" When? Before or after his appointment as Marshal of the Indian Air Force? 457:"Singh remained active and worked for the welfare of air force veteran" When? Before or after his appointment as Marshal of the Indian Air Force? 951:- This is from the book India's wars : a military history, 1947-1971 (ISBN 978-9351777496), written by Military Historian Arjun Subramaniam. 664:
This section is called "Early and personal life", but there is a later section called "Personal life". Consider changing to just "Early life"
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This section is called "Early and personal life", but there is a later section called "Personal life". Consider changing to just "Early life"
126: 75: 122: 52: 1053:"In 2018, the Air Force Sports Control Board organised the first annual Marshal Arjan Singh Memorial All India Hockey Tournament" 465:"In 2018, the Air Force Sports Control Board organised the first annual Marshal Arjan Singh Memorial All India Hockey Tournament" 709:"The Squadron was conducting operations against the tribal forces in NWFP" Anything to link to on Wiki regarding this campaign? 265:"The Squadron was conducting operations against the tribal forces in NWFP" Anything to link to on Wiki regarding this campaign? 107: 967:
Is there nothing else to say about his non-military career? Anything notable during his stint as Lieutenant Governor of Delhi?
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Is there nothing else to say about his non-military career? Anything notable during his stint as Lieutenant Governor of Delhi?
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Try and format all the sources correctly. Many sources, particularly PDFs from pibarchive, are missing year of publication
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Again, check for missing cites. There is no cite for the last few sentences of this first section before Post Independence
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Try and format all the sources correctly. Many sources, particularly PDFs from pibarchive, are missing year of publication
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Again, check for missing cites. There is no cite for the last few sentences of this first section before Post Independence
156: 725:"The squadron, by this time had been re-equipped" Suggest rewording to "By this time, the squadron had been re-equipped" 271:"The squadron, by this time had been re-equipped" Suggest rewording to "By this time, the squadron had been re-equipped" 99: 1052:
The Air Force Sports Control Board organised an annual Marshal Arjan Singh Memorial All India Hockey Tournament" -: -->
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The Air Force Sports Control Board organised an annual Marshal Arjan Singh Memorial All India Hockey Tournament" -: -->
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Block quote "Singh's remark about seeing action during WWII" Suggest rewording to "Singh on seeing action during WWII"
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Block quote "Singh's remark about seeing action during WWII" Suggest rewording to "Singh on seeing action during WWII"
862:- The appointment was upgraded when he was serving and not later. Hence it should be "The appointment was upgraded." 849:"served as the AOC Operational Command" add (AOC) to first mention of Air Officer in Charge earlier in this section 339:"served as the AOC Operational Command" add (AOC) to first mention of Air Officer in Charge earlier in this section 546:
Use Indian Air Force (IAF) the first time the term is mentioned if you intend to then use the abbreviation later
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Use Indian Air Force (IAF) the first time the term is mentioned if you intend to then use the abbreviation later
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Cite needed for second and third sentences regarding canal building and the Singh's being allocated land.
587:"He served as India's Ambassador to Switzerland, The Holy See and Liechtenstein" change to "the Holy See" 223:
Cite needed for second and third sentences regarding canal building and the Singh's being allocated land.
204:"He served as India's Ambassador to Switzerland, The Holy See and Liechtenstein" change to "the Holy See" 169:
Hi! Very interesting article, which generally looks to be in good shape. I have a few comments below:
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Check cites throughout article, there are lots of unsourced, or seemingly unsourced, statements.
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Check cites throughout article, there are lots of unsourced, or seemingly unsourced, statements.
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Is Marshal of the Indian Air Force a purely ceremonial role? Why was this conferred in 2002?
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Is Marshal of the Indian Air Force a purely ceremonial role? Why was this conferred in 2002?
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Consider giving the sub-heading Second World War to the first section of Military Career
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Consider giving the sub-heading Second World War to the first section of Military Career
990: 1026:"Singh was the first Chief to have kept his flying rank till he became the CAS" -: --> 453:"Singh was the first Chief to have kept his flying rank till he became the CAS" -: --> 1168: 1130: 971:- Pretty short stint as Lt Gov of Delhi. Don't see anything else that can be added. 893:
Lots of missing cites in this section too (second paragraph has no cites for example)
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Lots of missing cites in this section too (second paragraph has no cites for example)
1162: 1146: 514: 146: 517:, for your detailed analysis and comments. I've addressed each point one-by one. 92: 1167:
Lovely! Thanks for your work in reviewing, Cavie! Thanks for the tip about BR.
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No cites for first four sentences - are you using the obituary for all of them?
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No cites for first four sentences - are you using the obituary for all of them?
1027:"Singh was the first officer to have kept his flying rank until he became CAS" 454:"Singh was the first officer to have kept his flying rank until he became CAS" 853:- SOC is Air officer Commanding. Air Officer-in-Charge is a different title. 989:- Yes. It is a ceremonial role. This has precedence in India. Field Marshal 917:"in August 1965, Pakistani forces attempted to infiltrate Jammu and Kashmir" 380:"in August 1965, Pakistani forces attempted to infiltrate Jammu and Kashmir" 841:"Western Air Command" & "Air Officer-in-charge Personnel" Why italics? 775:"Singh relinquished command of the No. 1 Squadron in December 1944" -: --> 336:"Western Air Command" & "Air Officer-in-charge Personnel" Why italics? 296:"Singh relinquished command of the No. 1 Squadron in December 1944" -: --> 1176: 1154: 1138: 1118:- Not sure. Have removed this source. The info was available elsewhere. 1003:"and the Singh's youngest child Asha followed another three years later" 433:"and the Singh's youngest child Asha followed another three years later" 160: 958:"India's Ambassador to Switzerland, Holy See and Liechtenstein" -: --> 916:"Pakistan planned to infiltrate forces into Jammu and Kashmir " -: --> 405:"India's Ambassador to Switzerland, Holy See and Liechtenstein" -: --> 379:"Pakistan planned to infiltrate forces into Jammu and Kashmir " -: --> 754:"midst of a fight between the British troops and the Pathans" -: --> 285:"midst of a fight between the British troops and the Pathans" -: --> 993:
was promoted to the five-star rank in 1986 after retiring in 1953.
959:"India's Ambassador to Switzerland, the Holy See and Liechtenstein" 884:"the Overall Commander of the Joint air exercises "Shiksha"" -: --> 406:"India's Ambassador to Switzerland, the Holy See and Liechtenstein" 354:"the Overall Commander of the Joint air exercises "Shiksha"" -: --> 1106:
As discussed in Lead, what makes Bharat Rakshak a reliable source?
1002:"and the youngest Asha, followed another three years later" -: --> 502:
As discussed in Lead, what makes Bharat Rakshak a reliable source?
432:"and the youngest Asha, followed another three years later" -: --> 628:- Can't find a credible source. Removing this sentence for now. 620:- Can't find a credible source. Removing this sentence for now. 1079:- Added. It was renamed on the day of the announcement itself. 866:"He led the operational command until November 1959" -: --> 346:"He led the operational command until November 1959" -: --> 656:
Merge last two paras (try to avoid on sentence paragraphs)
652:- Added new source confirming hocket team vice-captaincy. 235:
Merge last two paras (try to avoid on sentence paragraphs)
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Thank you again for your work in reviewing this article.
885:"the overall commander of the joint air exercise Shiksha" 355:"the overall commander of the joint air exercise Shiksha" 1126:- Added the dates on all the citations from pibarchive. 134: 103: 833:"Singh subsequently moved to Air Headquarters in 1948" 333:"Singh subsequently moved to Air Headquarters in 1948" 832:"Singh then moved to Air Headquarters in 1948" -: --> 332:"Singh then moved to Air Headquarters in 1948" -: --> 867:"He led the Operational Command until November 1959" 347:"He led the Operational Command until November 1959" 668:- Changed the section to Early life and education. 875:"proceeded to United Kingdom in Early 1960" -: --> 350:"proceeded to United Kingdom in Early 1960" -: --> 608:"Aulakh Jat family" Can this be linked/explained? 217:"Aulakh Jat family" Can this be linked/explained? 876:"proceeded to the United Kingdom in early 1960" 351:"proceeded to the United Kingdom in early 1960" 1114:What makes sikh-history.com a reliable source? 575:- Linked to wikipedia article of the college. 505:What makes sikh-history.com a reliable source? 166:I'll take this one 09:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC) 8: 980:Promotion to Marshal of the Indian Air Force 692:- Added info. Empire Pilot training course. 417:Promotion to Marshal of the Indian Air Force 975:Any information about the period 1990-2002? 733:"with the Hawker Hurricane aircraft" -: --> 696:"He joined the No. 1 Squadron which" -: --> 412:Any information about the period 1990-2002? 274:"with the Hawker Hurricane aircraft" -: --> 257:"He joined the No. 1 Squadron which" -: --> 612:- Linked to wikipedia page of Jat people. 30: 1066:"announced that Indian Air Force" -: --> 475:"announced that Indian Air Force" -: --> 1075:Add the date of the name change (2018?) 934:"suffered a few losses early on" -: --> 479:Add the date of the name change (2018?) 387:"suffered a few losses early on" -: --> 61: 33: 1067:"announced that the Indian Air Force" 858:"This appointment was later upgraded" 857:"The appointment was upgraded" -: --> 476:"announced that the Indian Air Force" 343:"This appointment was later upgraded" 342:"The appointment was upgraded" -: --> 7: 1088:Look good, with appropriate licences 534:- Fixed. Removed citations in lead. 489:Look good, with appropriate licences 632:Cite needed for Singh becoming a CO 226:Cite needed for Singh becoming a CO 947:Who made these claims about Singh? 713:- No link about these operations. 395:Who made these claims about Singh? 24: 780:No. 1 Squadron in December 1944" 301:No. 1 Squadron in December 1944" 953:Diplomatic and Political career 935:"suffered some losses early on" 776:"Singh relinquished command of 759:British troops and the Pathans" 571:What is "JSSC, Latimore"? Link? 400:Diplomatic and Political career 388:"suffered some losses early on" 297:"Singh relinquished command of 290:British troops and the Pathans" 198:What is "JSSC, Latimore"? Link? 538:Overlinking - Indian Air Force 185:Overlinking - Indian Air Force 1: 1061:Air Force Station Arjan Singh 904:"he was just about 45" -: --> 783:"handing over command" -: --> 470:Air Force Station Arjan Singh 368:"he was just about 45" -: --> 304:"handing over command" -: --> 1102:- Have added citations now. 1192: 1177:03:58, 24 April 2020 (UTC) 1155:20:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC) 1139:16:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC) 1039:- Before his appointment. 911:Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 905:he was around 45 years old 755:"midst of a fight between 738:Hawker Hurricane aircraft" 374:Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 369:he was around 45 years old 286:"midst of a fight between 279:Hawker Hurricane aircraft" 161:09:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC) 925:"He was summoned" -: --> 383:"He was summoned" -: --> 603:Early and personal life 212:Early and personal life 899:Chief of the Air Staff 816:Royal Indian Air Force 701:No. 1 Squadron, which" 555:Royal Indian Air Force 363:Chief of the Air Staff 326:Royal Indian Air Force 262:No. 1 Squadron, which" 192:Royal Indian Air Force 1011:Later years and Death 438:Later years and Death 926:"Singh was summoned" 824:Merge first to paras 721:- Yes. 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