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military training taught us to identify vulnerabilities and ways to either defend or exploit those vulnerabilities. Many athletic competitions emphasize this approach to victory within the restrictive rules of their game. Law enforcement professionals have a focused perspective relating to the broader range of personal combat circumstances, including gun-fighting; but many may be reluctant to reveal vulnerabilities, just as military secrecy seeks to conceal strategic vulnerabilities. The article shouldn't be limited to the effectiveness of teachers as gunfighters, if arming them (or simply leaving open the possibility they might be armed) could reduce the probability of the gunfight by encouraging the mass murderer to seek a more vulnerable target. If we truly want to cover the range of perspectives on this issue, I suggest considering the reasons this perspective is seldom heard before we eliminate it from the article.

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reality, "arming teachers" isn't a debate; it's a real thing that happens, and yes, it is something that is proposed and debated, but we're describing a concrete practice that occurs in the real world, not an abstract topic at a debate club. Arguments about the benefits and drawbacks of the practice do not fit neatly into the "pro" or "con" categories. For example, "increases public safety" and "decreases public safety" aren't "pro" and "con" arguments, they're just contradicting expectations of the outcomes of the policy. Frankly, I'm not sure that various commentator's opinions about this practice are relevant or significant enough for inclusion (as opposed to actual studies, or summarized mainstream opinion).

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violence, but are presented as if they were offering a response to the same problems that the US has. This concoction of a supposed single 'public debate' is synthesis, or at best, distortion by omission. Any remotely neutral discussion of 'arming teachers' would start off by stating the obvious - that beyond the US, and a very few locations with other very specific issues, the suggestion that teachers might need to be armed simply doesn't arise. There is no global debate about 'arming teachers', and Knowledge shouldn't be pretending there is. Any coverage of such material instead belongs in specific articles covering the context where such discussions arise.

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Elementary School shooting) may have been inspired by a desire for news coverage publicity by setting a record in the number of people killed. I don't dispute schools close to the shooter's residence may be selected because the shooter is familiar with their layout, schedule, and facilities (including the ability of faculty or staff to resist armed aggression.) Do you have a reliable source for why these shooters chose a school rather than some other familiar nearby public grouping of potential victims like a church, shopping center, theater, or concert?

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explicit attribution of causation nor even related to pure research (vs. advocacy), and more importantly, one which does not mention arming teachers, at all. The sentence "the CDC and NIH, have conducted very little research into the effects of arming teachers, in part due to the Dickey Amendment"" is not supported by the NPR article, and your using it this way is a very clear violation of

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research before. Find something more recent and mentions a more broad restriction, I doubt the CDC can research fuel alternatives either. I don't know their scope but gun control really doesn't seem their focus. The fact the Center for Disease Control isn't funding research for gun control laws isn't really worth a mention, imo.

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Agree with Fram regarding that particular line. No idea how it went unnoticed for so long. Removed now. Also agree with Andy that conflating the US debate with every other time it's come up internationally may be misleading. Maybe it would be better to restrict this to the US, and anyone who wants to

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Other drawbacks to arming teachers involve the learning environment. In particular, owing to structural racism and discriminatory school security policies, Black high school students are less supportive than white students of arming teachers – 16% versus 26% – and report feeling less safe if teachers

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You have provided no evidence that there is any ongoing debate in South Africa. Or that the sources dating from 2019 indicate that there was any significant debate at the time. A single unrecognised union made a single call for teachers to be armed. Which apparently got nowhere, and as far as we know

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Different context, these response squads were to respond to terrorist attacks. I don't know if this actually went anywhere. I do think it does show that this isn't just talk in the United States, but that other countries have had this talk as well. It sounds like that in Pakistan it went a bit beyond

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A more realistic picture: "...of the 30 cases in which a teacher discharged a firearm between 1980 and 2012, almost 97 percent were intentional shootings; just over 74 percent of the victims in these shootings suffered fatal injuries; in 70 percent of the cases at least 1 other person was shot, while

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Yes, I changed the title of the section to reflect the content - which consisted entirely of material discussing the debate in the US. As for the rest, I'm not the slightest bit interested in debating with you over a couple of Google search results. Any statements regarding whether debates elsewhere

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Regardless of whether any such policy was ever proposed, I'd make the same comment here as I did regarding Kenya - that context matters, and such material cannot be simply presented as if it were part of the same 'arming teachers' debate that is going on in the United States. The situation in Israel

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Pacifist teachers have nothing to fear: the local government has said that the stand-by class will only consist of teachers who would be interested in joining it. Those who agree will receive a monetary reward for their participation in the courses. In the future, teachers who do not have a firearms

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No, they do not. The NPR article only says this "The CDC has shied away from gun violence research since 1996, when legislation known as the Dickey Amendment first prohibited the agency from using federal funds to advocate or promote gun control." That is a temporal sequencing of events, without an

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Not applicable here. There is an obvious synthetic claim being made - that the CDC did not research arming teachers because of the Dickey Amendment (in the article - "the CDC and NIH, have conducted very little research into the effects of arming teachers, in part due to the Dickey Amendment"). Not

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Indeed. Surely not a lead photo, but if we need an illustration of teachers learning about guns that isn't a cartoon... Not ideal, granted. I wonder if there's a source mentioning these workshops in connection to arming teachers for background (e.g. "teachers have been invited to educators workshops

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In the United States there are legal limitations on the use of federal funds for public health research relating to guns. Researchers who wish to apply for federal funding for gun research have cited this restriction as a barrier to conducting the usual research and a cause for a claimed scarcity of

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A single remaining cite-needed has been addressed. Both hooks are sufficiently cited. There appears to be mo remaining issues in terms of DYK, as the article is long enough, new enough (when posted) well cited and the nom has completed the QPQ. The image has been dropped and is no longer a topic for

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Or the reason we shouldn't write it like that is that it is mostly bullshit. It seems as if most school shootings are not driven by "easy target" considerations, but that shooter nearly always went to their own school or a school in their own village (Sandy Hook, Robb, Saugus, Red Lake, North Park,

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I've provided evidence that there was such debate, as recently as 2019. there's absolutely no need to show "ongoing" debate, whatever you imagine that to be. That you continue to misrepresent facts (the union is recognized, the debate is not limited to libertarian websites) does not reflect well on

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I suggest pagemove to "Arming teachers in the United States" since the article focuses exclusively about issues in the US and dropping the lead sentence "Arming teachers is the practice of training and equipping teachers in the education range of preschool through secondary school with firearms" in

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If the neutrality question is going to remain this intractable, then perhaps this page is not suitable for exposure on the Main Page. We've spent nearly two months debating the topic, and while the article has definitely improved, it's probably time to end this nomination. It's something of a shame

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Is it even possible for this topic to be written in a way that will gain consensus from all sides that it is neutrally written? On the talk page we have apparently serious proposals that what the article needs is to think of the poor mass murderers and write it more from their point of view. Surely

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And I would assume the opposite - the core arguments ("not the teacher's job/they wouldn't be good at it/it just creates more violence" vs. "the police aren't there in time/if you know there's no guns it's an easy target/people have a right to self defense") are the same - and your last example is

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sources, of which there appears to be plenty. In my view one of the problems with this article is the reliance on news media, which are not very reliable for this sort of thing and by their nature will always tilt heavily towards recentism. BTW, it may be that an expanded article will have so much

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A realistic image of an armed teacher looks just like a normal teacher, because either they're carrying concealed, or the firearm is safely locked away. As far as I know, there is no proposal for teachers to open carry, or as illustrated above, wildly brandish a pistol in a classroom. I don't know

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from this article because of the absence of anyone listing specific objections. Feel free to put the banner back if you also can describe a problem and or request an improvement. As a suggestion, if you can link to a reliable source on this topic and say that its perspective is not represented in

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IMO Knowledge articles shouldn't have "pro" and "con" sections at all and these sections should be eliminated altogether. Having pro/con sections presents the topic as a "debate", presents it as having only two sides (pro and con), and presents arguments as falling into one of those two sides. In

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Personally, I'd assume that people outside the US are, when they are discussing arming teachers, doing so in the context of whatever brought about the debate there - which may very well have nothing to do with 'for' or 'against' arguments in the narrow US context resulting from a specific 'school

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license will also be recruited, and they will undergo a licensing procedure. The responsibility for the professional retraining of the firing teachers lies with the Community and Police Division, which will formulate clear procedures for the establishment and operation of the stand-by classrooms.

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According to the summary, a stand-by class will be established and trained in each school, where there will be armed teachers. The members of the "elite team" will be teachers with a license to maintain weapons. They will receive the training from the police, so that they can properly protect the

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Flickr works like how we approach other social media. If we can verify the account behind the posting, then we can assume the information is validated. EG I know the US Army posts to Flickr under a confirmed account, so if they say a picture is a XYZ-500 Tank, we shouldn't question that. But this

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The image is described as "A teacher standing over a rifle in the emergency training room of a school in Yekaterinburg, Russia". Is there any evidence that said 'emergency training' is anything to do with training teachers to protect pupils in classrooms? Schools tend to get used for all sorts of

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Circumstances exclude the perspective of the mass murderers from this article, but understanding their motivations and rationale is important to devising an effective deterrent which is the fundamental reason for this discussion about arming teachers. In the days of the universal military draft,

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The article currently frames the pro- and con- arguments as "Public Debate in the US". To be sure, the vast majority of sourced used are American (reflecting the article's origins)- but are these arguments really only US ones? Seems the South African government has made similar arguments against

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I'd ask the same question about the source cited for Thailand - does it say anything specifically regarding arming teachers? Again, this is paywalled, but the abstract seems to suggest the study concerns "firearms proliferation and the creation of civilian militias in Southern Thailand", and the

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teachers, like public classroom teachers, in the same sense as in the USA. It's an 18-page paper I haven't read, but from an initial skim, it seems the arming is more for protection of teachers (who are targeted as part of ethnic clashes) than arming teachers so they can protect students in the

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The removed line was trying to say there are limitations on federal funds for research when the cited article only said the CDC couldn't do research on things that were meant to effect gun laws. It then said that the NIH was the alternative option and that they had, while a limited amount, done

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Another drive-by comment: although the article itself looks neutrally written, I wonder about the hook. The wording "a proposal to stop stop school shootings" is written in a way that suggests that there is reason to believe that arming teachers would stop school shootings. However, the article

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shootings' issue. From a brief look at the sources you cite, that seems to be the case, since the examples of violence they discuss weren't mass shootings. The second source, incidentally, is an editorial on a Libertarian website, describing itself as " an alternative to the mainstream media",

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The fundamental neutrality problem in this article is self evident. It was quite clearly created to cover one specific debate in the United States while purporting to present a global perspective. The few other countries mentioned each have specific broader issues with political and/or ethnic

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Of the shootings you mention, Nikolas Cruz is the only perpetrator who survived. He may provide more definitive information after legal proceedings are completed. Some have interpreted social media comments as indicating he (and possibly others, with the probable exception of the North Park

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How do reliable sources illustrate this topic? The links here are articles about arming teachers. Which ones do you think are appropriate for illustrating this article? Choose your favorites, link to others, or describe ideas for illustrations which do not exist. If all illustrations are

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Yes, the ".za" TLD is South Africa. But South Africa and Kenya are sufficient to show this is not just a US thing, especially when the South Africa context brings an opposite viewpoint - there, teachers' unions are calling for the arming, in the US they are the most vocal opponents.

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in 50 percent of the cases only 1 other person was shot; just over 63 percent of the teachers used the firearm to commit suicide, while 70 percent used the firearm to shoot at least 1 other person; and none of the cases involved victims that were students or parents of students."

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contains no evidence to support this suggestion. The caption for the image ("teacher protects") is also quite non-neutral; one could easily read the same image as "teacher threatens students with gun", reflecting more accurately the actual incidents described in the article. —

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The orange neutrality tag is still on this article, though it has been more than 30 days since the talk page was last edited. No substantive content changes have occurred since a few days later. The page otherwise seems to be close to ready, though I would suggest to

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not to present content on this source as if it were a continuation of the US debate. This has been a recurring problem on Knowledge, where coverage of firearms topics worldwide has frequently been badly distorted by narrow interpretation though a US-centric lens.

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The point is that it shows a teacher handling a gun; the image doesn't necessarily need to be the teacher actively using it. I don't have a mule in this fight, I'm just suggesting a potential alternative considering the original proposition ain't going anywhere.

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The teachers in the standby class will go through workshops and training and learn how to deal with terrorists. As part of the training, they will go through ranges, receive special identification vests and function as a Civil Guard team during the school year.

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talks about a government plan to create an armed teacher response squad, trained by the police, in each school in 2001, it has officials making statements on this plan. If this plan progressed, it probably did not last, but there was a plan for this.

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Yes. (This is the one I thought the other one was.) It talks about arming teachers, and also about other government programs like providing bodyguards for teachers and giving teachers loans with which to purchase firearms. But I'm not sure if it's

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Very different from the situation in the US, and almost certainly better treated as a part of a broader conflict (one concerning ethnic/communal violence involving a group allied with al-Qaeda) than an abstract discussion about 'arming teachers'.

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Ok, I've now read the source. Putting aside that it is a "letter", not published academic research, it says not one word about teachers. Did you read it before posting your comment above, whcih falsely claims it is "well supported" by that source?

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The only sources we have seem to suggest that a representative from a single teachers' union ("not a recognised union in the basic education sector", according to the SA government) made such a call after an incident in 2019. Not much to go on.

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Above I've posted some sources I found about this subject. I'd invite folks to add to the list and/or strike any entries that have been incorporated in the article or shouldn't be incorporated in the article (and leave a note indicating same).

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Ah, I readded it just now, as the article is not neutral at all (despite people trying to get it on the Main Page as a DYK, which for such a controversial topic should be checked extra carefully). For example, the article says, in Knowledge's

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Not exactly what the sources say: "The Educators' Union of South Africa (EUSA) has called for teachers to be allowed to bring guns to school to protect themselves". According to their web site, EUSA is 'registered with the Dept. of Labour. "

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If, God forbid, a terrorist organization plans an attack on an educational institution, the terrorists will receive an appropriate educational response in the form of teachers and armed teachers, who will attack them in a combat procedure.

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Yes, it needs a rewrite, but search Google Scholar for "arming teachers in classrooms" and you'll see there is plenty of material to write an article from. Maybe draftify it until it's rewritten, or maybe just leave it live (maybe tag it).

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Does the first source actually have anything to say on the subject of arming teachers? From the abstract, it seems to concern itself with "estimates of the prevalence of fighting and weapon carrying among adolescent boys and girls".

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pro-gun content elsewhere in the world, sometimes getting picked up uncritically by media not aware of the background. Expansion of the article scope needs to be based on solid sources, not isolated media reports lacking substance.

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I am not sure this was ever implemented. The source discusses setting armed readiness squads in schools, from teachers. The readiness squad is a concept that exists in Israel in the military and frontier settlements, this is the

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Ok, so we agree it was you who framed the section that way, despite your previous false claim that it was me. That's a start. I've already shown you that public debate about arming teachers exists in South Africa, so there's no

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I am guessing you didn't click on that link, it was a joke (which if you did click on it, perhaps it sailed over your head). I didn't frame it as a US thing - that's the way it is currently framed in the article, with a section

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I don't believe this is a neutral image (the teacher is brandishing the weapon, seemingly pointlessly. Proponents of arming teacher would not support something like that - the gun is supposed to be used only in case of attack).

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relevant as it means little or no actual research has been conducted into the topic of arming schoolteachers. That is literally why it's included in the "background", as it gives context for the overall issue to the reader.

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nomination I handled some time back. The article is in a very hot-button topic, has very high activity and pageviews, is leading to disputes (the big orange banners at the top are an automatic obstacle to DYK listing per

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Because you're implying that the picture originally was created to show a teacher protecting kids in a classroom, which, no it wasn't. You can't just pull images like that particularly with rather contentious statements

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What does that letter say about arming teachers, the subject of this article? Be specific. I am not interested in what YOU think the point is, I am interested in what the source says about the subject for this article.

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It says there's been no research into firearms deaths (while contrasting that with the number of grants for research on other ailments). I'm confused why you need me to tell you that when you just said you read it...

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The chairman of the local government center, Adi Eldar, said that the establishment of the teachers' stand-by classrooms was intended to address the security problem of educational institutions. The poor offered to

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Pickett, William; Craig, Wendy; Harel, Yossi; Cunningham, John; Simpson, Kelly; Molcho, Michal; Mazur, Joanna; Dostaler, Suzanne; Overpeck, Mary D.; Currie, Candace E.; HBSC Violence Injuries Writing Group (2005).

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Definitely needs a ton of work, but also just saying "it's POV" without any elaboration doesn't give anyone anything to go by if they were to undertake a rewrite. Could always propose a merge/AfD it, of course. —

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being what it is, I'll not even attempt to figure out if this is satire or not, but it doesn't belong in the article. Or anywhere else on Knowledge. Reddit could probably make good use of it for a meme though...

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I just found and uploaded the public domain image at the right. It's an "Educators Workshop" with teachers from New England. Obviously it doesn't show a teacher in a classroom, but it's directly relevant. —

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It goes back to at least 1980 but maybe earlier (the study I quoted goes back to 1980); it was already happening by Columbine in 1999; Sandy Hook in 2012 wasn't the first time this was proposed (or enacted)

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I started the article and nominated the DYK but I have no capacity to engage further. I agree with David Eppstein - there may not be a form of this page which can avoid people raising neutrality concerns.

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I don't have any details really, if it was implemented it didn't last or isn't large scale. The newpaper report on the decision by officials to set this up was from December 2001, the active phase of the

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The image suggestion is crap, to put it mildly. You can't fabricate your own image and then use it in a highly-charged topic area like this. Hell, the entire concept of the article itself is basically a

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I concur with the above that the shop is both too uncanny (though it is a very good shop) and generally inappropriate for use. However, I found the following image on Flickr of a teacher with a gun in

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I don't think photoshopping images (even with permission from the subjects) is appropriate for an encyclopedia. And the same goes for the adulterated ad currently in the article, which I will remove

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It would be ideal to find something like pic shown, but either with a gun or permission from the photo subjects to photoshop a gun into the picture. I think an image would explain this article best.

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Flickr isn't a reliable source for statements about what a photo shows. We have absolutely no context, so can't say it 'shows a teacher handling a gun'. Not that the Flickr page claims even that.

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Umpqua, Marysville, Stoneman Douglas, ...) The reason shooters pick a specific school is not "the teachers are unarmed", and claiming this as fact instead of the opinion of some people is wrong.

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to the US-centric focus, this article reads more like an op-ed against arming teachers in the US than a neutral encyclopedia article on a global topic. I tagged per Levivich's comment above. --

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The workshop brings together teachers, administrators and other education professionals aboard the depot and gives them the opportunity to experience what recruit training is like in the Corps.

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only is this a novel argument not made by any single source, it is directly contradicted by the sources being combined, all of which clearly say that 'the CDC was allowed to conduct research'.

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Very helpful, thank you very much! Since the other sources listed here indicate that currently Israeli teachers are not armend, I'm guessing this was never implemented? Any details on that ?

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Nobody should mistaken my comments here for advocating for the policy. It's just that the article as written does not cover this topic well... not yet, but that's what we're all here for.

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It is supported by those and many, many other sources. They're not claiming the literal text of the Dickey Amendment absolutely prohibited it, but it was "due to the Dickey Amendment". —

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Thoughts? A thoroughly ridiculous 'illustration', for multiple reasons. The teacher is clearly not protecting anyone from anything, except possibly the end of an entirely imagined 1950s.

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I've added a number of additional (news) sources for Thailand, which make it clear we are talking about public classroom teachers, who are both armed and trained by the Thai government.

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The classroom will have armed teachers who will be properly trained by the police so that they can properly protect the safety of students in the event of terrorists entering the school.

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I've made some changes to the article to make it more neutral by adding more arguments and removing irrelevant info. The lede is also less Americacentric. Is neutrality still an issue?

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Very good point regarding 'pro' and 'con'. Knowledge isn't a debating society, and it is our job to report that debates are occurring, not offer up a platform for it to continue here.

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Anyone reading the article lede, as it currently stands, would be very likely to see it as a continuation of the US debate, considering that it deals exclusively with exactly that.

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This was agreed at a meeting of representatives of the Community and Police Division in the Civil Guard with representatives of the local government and the Ministry of Education.

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create a higher-level article can do so (or, alternatively, spin out the US article, and anyone who thinks the higher-level article can't stand on its own can send it to AfD). —

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I agree with all the above- the scope should be expanded, academic sources should be used, and if it ends up being US-heavy, that content should be split into a separate article.

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Ok, I put it that it was apparently not implemented, but if folks think that is original research since we don't have a source that explictly says so, feel free to take it out.

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Here are some additional sources attesting to this public debate in SA, I'm sure more can be found - there's nothing unique to the US in the core arguments 'for' or 'against'.

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It would be nice to have sections dedicated to different states. Reading this article i'm still clueless where teachers are allowed to carry firearms and where they are not.--

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Well, given that any opinion on you coming from me would include the words 'obvious sock', I'm not the slightest bit interested in your opinions of what reflects well on me.

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It is a fanciful depiction of arming teachers that has no connection to a serious issue and was subject to a long discussion that resulted in its removal from the article --

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Yes, it is still a problem. Very much so. It is nothing more than an article centred around the current US debate, with a few token efforts towards 'internationalisation'.

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Although the article is currently framed specifically around the US response to school shootings, discussions about arming teachers are not solely an American phenomenon.

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Describing it as a 'global topic' seems a bit of a stretch, given the complete lack of evidence that the suggestion is taken even remotely seriously almost anywhere else.

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I readded the picture. If this is getting closed without passing anyway then it can close with the illustration I originally used for the article and this nomination.

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I saw some BBC and PBS images as well, again, all copyrighted. The images don't show anything specific to armed teachers versus any other tactical firearms training.

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The contents of this article should be moved to "Arming teachers in the United States", while a more general overview of arming teachers should remain on this page.

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discussion here. However, there are arbcom posts on the talk page and it is not clear what this means in practice. The issue was raised above as D6, but that's not

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which source makes the claim that "the CDC and NIH, have conducted very little research into the effects of arming teachers, in part due to the Dickey Amendment"?

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There is nothing on the psychological impact upon young pupils of having their teacher armed. If someone knows a citable source, that topic should be included.

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Yes, but it should probably be attributed to the source, not stated as fact. Especially when the source itself relies on an editorial and a study that measures "

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a wider debate in South Africa, it is difficult to see how the article could be claimed to be discussing 'public debate' there in any meaningful sense.

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The image I used has been the subject of controversy on the talk page. Regardless, this DYK nomination could proceed without the image if necessary.

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What does that source say, exactly? Since it is from 2005, more than decade before congress clarified the Dickey amendment, I doubt it is relevant.

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Oops, you're right. Nevertheless, still not a complete lack of evidence that the suggestion is taken even remotely seriously almost anywhere else.

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For this politically charged topic, this is a neutral image that I do not believe many people would say is for or against any side of the debate

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As the image has been removed from the article, I have removed it from the nomination, since images here must be in their respective articles.

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Uh.. it's in the source you keep deleting. Or maybe you were too busy pushing a POV to bother to look at the fact that it was well sourced? —

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someone who takes that position will not be satisfied with a version that takes the point of view of the 95% of the teachers in the survey. —

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procedure applies to this page. This page is related to post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, which has been

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proof of that - the "self defense" argument is one common to libertarians everywhere- whether in South Africa or the USA. But rather than

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It is utterly irrelevant to an article on arming teachers, since there is no evidence that the teachers are being trained for anything.

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I'm t particularly attached to this image, but it is at least one that illustrates the position of those in favor of arming teachers.

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By the way, what 'point' is the photo supposed to be getting across? That teachers need to be trained to field-strip assault rifles?

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Ah, I did not realize it had been removed from the article. That certainly obviates the need to wait on the commons discussion. --

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Buck, Sara & Yurvati, Erica & Drake, Dallas. (2013). Teachers with Guns: Firearms Discharges by Schoolteachers, 1980-2012. (

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I can resolve the warning banners but I cannot cool the talk page. Under what circumstances is a lively talk page a barrier to DYK?

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ALT3 is possibly useful, though I wonder if that's a germane fact. (Side note: removed hyphen from "African Americans" in ALT3 per

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talk in at least one region, not sure of other places, but most places are just talking about it, including the United States. --

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That lead was written when the article's scope was US-only. There's a simple fix, which is to rewrite the lead, as I gave done.

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A drawing is superior to a photograph, because a photo would invite undue real world attention to any person or school depicted

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A word of caution when looking at non-US sources: factions within the US firearms lobby have a long history of trying to

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is very different, and such proposals there have to be seen in the broader context of ongoing political conflict there.

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Regarding Israel, see the sources cited in the 'Source collection' section below. It appears that Israeli teachers are

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info about the US that'll it'll be UNDUE and we should spin out a U.S. sub article, but I don't think we're there yet.

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Source: Shah, Nirvi (15 February 2013). "Armed Educators a Reality in Some Schools, Debated in Others". Education Week.

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Your first source is from South Africa, not Zaire, and it clearly relates to the same discussion as the third source.

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Can anyone find sources describing teachers in countries other than the United States who carry guns into classrooms?

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Every place is different. The one place where they actually went ahead and armed teachers was in parts of Pakistan:

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isn't a drive-by template, but one that's supposed to accompany a talk page section pointing out specific issues. —

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Why would anyone think this is a continuation of the US debate? Simply create a separate section for each country.

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There are documented cases of teachers actually using their guns to stop school shootings (rare, but it's happened)

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NPR is a reliable source, but the article cited does not mention arming teachers. using it here is a violation of

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concur with those in the US need to be sourced, not based on our personal interpretations. I assume you've read

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Jonson, Cheryl Lero; Burton, Alexander L.; Cullen, Francis T.; Pickett, Justin T.; Burton, Velmer S. (2021).

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https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Barnes_M4OL_10a.GunRightsAdvocates.MFOL.WDC.24March2018_(27161857558).jpg

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According to aforementioned study I posted, teachers shooting themselves is what happens most of the time

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that the one missing link is so large, though given the "hotness" of the topic, it's not too surprising.

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topics on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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Thanks for posting the alts. I support each of them, and think that multiple sources back each of them.

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The slogan in that image is oxymoronic: If a mass shooting occurred, then the zone was not gun-free.

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the

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I'm not sure why this article needs an image at all. Might just be one of those cases referred to in

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specific picture lacks that validation of user account, so it is absolutely right to question it. --

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Branas, C C (1 June 2005). "Getting past the "f" word in federally funded public health research".

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between

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to reword some of the public debate section to use fewer phrases from The Conservation's article

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in the US is FALSE - there are restrictions on using Federal funds for gun control ADVOCACY -

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It was you that framed it as a US thing, not me. You claimed, entirely without evidence, that

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After reading through this article, I could not help but notice both the lack of adherence to

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where they learn how to use firearms while taking basic new recruit training"). We'll see. —

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It's a good essay, you gotta give it that. Maybe deserves a short excursion to AfD based on

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You need to find a source that says that for it to be relevant. Your opinion is not enough.

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killed a 12 year old 5th grader by accident with his weapon, in an accidental discharge. --

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Picture is cool - high resolution and very wiki for digital combining public domain images.

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I started this article then created this image with a friend. I like this image because...

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Perhaps if you can't understand something you shouldn't be acting upon it in the future. —

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A drive-by comment from me... I fear that this could turn out a lot like the very messy

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Given the lack of sources presented so actually offering evidence that there actually

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Complete lack of evidence? I've just started looking, but it's been proposed in Zaire

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this article, then that would be a great reason for restoring the neutrality banner.

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ALT4 is not backed by a specific source to mention the non-implementation of the law.

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Can you link to the ideal image anywhere on the Internet, or otherwise describe it?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below.

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Expansion of scope is a better call; but maybe tag it until the scope is expanded.

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In the US, the practice of teachers carrying guns is allowed in at least ~19 states

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Borum, Randy; Cornell, Dewey G.; Modzeleski, William; Jimerson, Shane R. (2010).

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but also believe that policies banning the practice make schools more dangerous?

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Violence Begets Violence - and Arming Teachers Is Not the Answer, Experts Agree

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I don't know if a pagemove, or an expansion of article scope is a better call.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as

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Mancini, Christina; Cook, Amy K.; Smith, Jessica C.; McDougle, Robyn (2020).

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Regarding the Kenyan source, context clearly matters. See this article from

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gathered no support beyond an editorial on an obscure Libertarian website.

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safety of the students in the event of terrorists infiltrating the school.

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I don't think we can use NBC videos in articles. Copyright and all that...

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It is not clear to me what the Point of view issue is. Could you clarify?

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there's nothing unique to the US in the core arguments 'for' or 'against'

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Other sort of factual issues with this article, since some have asked:

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I don't know if this is 'ideal', but something like this might work -

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IDK. The government has opposed this call, that's all I could find.

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So once again nothing to do with arming teachers for the classroom.

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what an image would really be able to illustrate in this article.

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Comments requested on this picture for illustrating this article!

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Just gonna throw a crazy idea out here but how about if we use a

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the same thing. This issue was not resolved as far as I can see.

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Something like an infographic might make a better illustration.

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If the only source we have is Flickr, we can't even say that.

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called 'Public debate in the US". I named it "Public debate"

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the wording issue is resolved, I think ALT2 can be approved.

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alone, since it's just a compilation of policy arguments. -

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Comments requested - image of teacher with gun in classroom

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And what response has there been from outside this union?

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of teachers being trained to confront active shooters.

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plan for armed teacher response squads in each school

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The point is that it shows a teacher handling a gun

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It clearly communicates the subject of this article

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