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terms in a free form or as they wish and that is normal for author of book to have a freedom in creation. But to call all MLR's(most don't have armour) or all self-propelled artillery(some of them also don't have armour and modern howitzers have range of up to 70km so they are not for close combat as defined by British MOD AFV acronym that I posted above) or other vehicles without weapons(bridge) or armour as AFV's it is of question. And Horse-drawn Carriage or Chariot has became AFV? They are all if used by military land military vehicles but not AFV's. Some general category could be "land military vehicles" as is current content of this article. Were is armour on "Tachanka". And article in Design section of AFV at first place has Armour as subsection. And don't forget that AFV is "Armoured fighting vehicle" so minimum is armour and weapon in same vehicle if we take it literally.
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blanket language is unfortunate. The article may still desire to focus on major or modern examples, but homage and reference should still be paid to those designs that preceded and inspired them. Seems to me the definition of an AFV is by nature any vehicle designed to move troops to or around the battlefield while protecting them from enemy attack that also allows attacks on the enemy to be prosecuted from within said vehicle, and the
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Fighting Vehicles are designed to get the troops where they're needed... so they can go in and finish the job; I guess you could argue that the legendary Trojan horse of Greek mythology was one of the earliest examples of an Armored Personnel Carrier, but things didn't really get going with AFV's until the arrival of the internal combustion engine."
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Da Vinci's wheeled, cannon-carrying vehicle and his circumfolgore were different things. The former did not have the paddles et cetera that a recent edit claims, or anything that might suggest amphibiousness, and the latter was designed as an actual boat carrying radial cannon on a rotating platform.
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For that matter, not even my spell checker accepts "armoured" as valid... because it isn't. I don't normally go for the "pure democracy" mob rule view, but in this case, as regards language, I should think that ~316 million American English speakers and their accepted correct spelling would trump ~63
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To add my two cents. I'm a big WWII Eastern Front enthusiast, and I've read and heard military historians and experts call all sort of combat vehicles AFVs. If it's not soft-skinned and is used in combat, then it gets called an AFV. Assault guns, self-propelled guns, tanks, APCs, tankettes, etc, have
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Main purpose of AFV in any army of world is engaging with enemy infantry and other AFV's or other vehicles that could be attacked with weapons platform that AFV carries. Not a single army in this world in official communication considers Self-propelled anti-aircraft weapon or Self-propelled artillery
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I will quote:"An improvised fighting vehicle is ad hoc combat vehicle resulting from modified, added or upgraded civilian or military non-combat vehicle by civilians or rebels or some unofficial army like guerrilla or resistant movement and when talked about official army it is done by army logistics
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I must concur that this list looks reasonable, however it's unclear which is the criteria used to compile it. Number produced? Number of armies using a vehicle? Having been "cutting edge" at IOC/prototype testing? Any other? Please clarify, and provide a "verifiable" source for the "top ten"; as this
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By my count, there are far more American English speakers than British, so should the Knowledge not be catering to the larger use group. If a student were to use this article for research (but clearly not as a source) and were to mirror the spelling usage here, they would unquestionably be demerited
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And it is important to define what is minimum armour of AFV thought subcategories. What is Tank and could be that be some vehicle with light armour. But in all this we also must look what official military uses as terminology today and in recent past because they are users and who can tell as better
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I quote: B3.1 Armoured fighting vehicles (AFVs) are bespoke land military vehicles optimised for close combat operations which possess appropriate levels of survivability, lethality and mobility to enable operations in a high threat environment. They perform in general utility as well as specialised
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and my understanding of British AFV definition is that is similar to GCV term used mostly in USA and ACV term used in international military alliance documnets. Armoured combat vehicles (ACV) include armoured personnel carriers, armoured infantry fighting vehicles, and heavy armament combat vehicles
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And now lets get back on beginning of article and presented definition of AFV :"An armoured fighting vehicle (or armored fighting vehicle; AFV) is a combat vehicle, protected by strong armour and armed with weapons, which combines operational mobility, tactical offensive, and defensive capabilities.
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In the first two minutes of "Lock N' Load with R. Lee Ermey: Season 1, Ep. 6 - Armored Vehicles", the assertion is made that the Trojan Horse can be considered one of the earliest Armored Fighting Vehicles. To wit, "... a tank's main job is to spearhead an attack ahead of advancing infantry. Armored
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I have found no definitive proof that the number of crew was eight. There are no crewmen visible in the sketches. Have also altered text to reflect that this was a) a theoretical design that was not built, and b) a sketch, not a worked-out drawing. No need to mention animals, since da Vinci did not
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EyeTruth I agree that some authors and historians have used AFV in broader terms. And most of them have not been officers and non-commissioned officer in army and some haven't even been a soldiers. While I am saying that I am not undermining them and their work but it is possible that they use some
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For start lets look section "Improvised fighting vehicle". In that section it for example M1117 Armored Security Vehicle picture but I have moved it to other section when stated editing this article. In the same section there is Humvee picture. After careful consideration I came to conclusions that
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All I'm trying to get at here is I don't think the language or implication here is correct. By any reasonable technical definition, there MUST have been numerous equivalent examples of AFV's and APC's throughout the history of warfare, and to deny them their place in encyclopedic coverage with such
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As a matter of fact, besides many other unique examples purpose made for a given battle who didn't really survive to be recorded into history, what about the armored battering ram? Certainly on more than a few occasions, battering rams were brought in for sieges that were carried on wheeled, wooden
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People just won't say anything as long winded as "armoured fighting vehicle" -- even the article uses "AFV". I don't think such TLAs (three letter abbreviations) look very encyclopedic. Web hits are meaningless when the numbers are very high like this. Google isn't actually counting to 5.6 million.
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This article is out of intended and defined scope for AFV. Article with this headline should be concentrated only at AFV's and all irelevant content deleted or renamed to "Armored combat vehicle" for example. ACV refers to "armoured combat vehicle" and means a self-propelled vehicle with armoured
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In section "Infantry mobility vehicle" there is sentence :"The up-armoured M1114 Humvee variant can be seen as an adaptation of the unarmoured Humvee to serve in the IMV role." The up-armoured M1114 Humvee could be I quote part of Knowledge:"scout, military police, and explosive ordnance disposal
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keep up with tanks. An AFV like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle used by the U.S. military carries a squad of infantry. The Soviet-designed BMP-1 carries infantry and is armed with an anti-tank missile launcher and a 73mm gun. The British GKN Warrior is a 25-tonne tracked armoured vehicle with a 30mm
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Its seems to me by looking article that everything that has any kind of armour or has some kind of weapon is considered AFV's including trains, improvised fighting vehicles, armoured vehicle-launched bridge(many of them don't have any weapons, for example M60 AVLB, MT-55), Combat engineer section
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Tank, Tankette, Super-heavy tanks, Flame tank, Aerosani, Scout car, Internal security vehicle, Improvised fighting vehicle, Armoured personnel carrier, Amphibious vehicles, Assault breacher vehicle, Armoured bulldozer, Armoured recovery vehicle, Armoured vehicle-launched bridge, Combat engineer
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That said, while I can't argue with the experience of R. Lee and the staff writing on the show, just because "things didn't get going until the I.C.E." doesn't mean there weren't noteworthy early examples, it just means nobody ever mass produced them. Saying (or implying) that they functionally
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In this way as this article is now if I am for example a general or colonel in some army and request some AFV's for combat support for my infantry in fight it is high chance that someone will send me M60 AVLB bridge. There should be some encyclopedic standards in this article before it becomes
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AFVs are a type of combat vehicle and that latter article should briefly deal with AFVs with a reference to the main AFV article for those wanting more detail. Trying to cover all types in detail and length in a single article is counter-productive; not least due to article length if they were
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Serial produced vehicles are by no mean "improvised". They could be "improvised" only and only if for example army workshop add additional armour plates on serial produced vehicles. In that case it should be presented appropriate picture with description of improvisation that has been done.
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Depends on the definition of 'armoured' and 'vehicle' - I would argue that whilst animals have been armoured for warfare, and fighting vehicles such as chariots have been around for centuries, it's only really with the ICE that the two have been combined. I've certainly never heard of pre-ICE
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NATO definition of AFV is:"armoured fighting vehicle (AFV) – neither a tank nor an armoured personnel carrier, but a hybrid evolved in an era of fast-paced warfare in which infantry must keep up with tanks. An AFV like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle used by the U.S. military carries a squad of
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million British English speakers, especially since it is easily debatable that American English has evolved less since the Plymouth Rock landings than has British English, and that American English remains closer to the Shakespearian dialect than the vast majority of British dialects.
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Its a little difficult for me to follow exactly what you think isn't an AFV. But it comes down to what sources say. Many sources put self-propelled guns in there. The British Army includes all its reconnaisance vehicles and even the Snatch Land Rover under that title on its website.
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GraemeLeggett I agree that others from WP:MILHIST project should be called and included because it is imperative that articles have clear scope and standards to avoid confusion and that if more people give participation in this discussion better fruits it will gain for article.
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So 'Armoured Fighting Vehicle' means effectively a tank, an APC, or an armoured car, and the term only came about with the rise of mechanised warfare. If you go back any earlier you will probably not find the term used in any contemporary sources. But that's just MHO.
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section carriers, Self-propelled anti-aircraft weapon, Self-propelled artillery, Assault gun carriage, Mortar carrier, Multiple rocket launcher, Armoured train and everything that has no weapons and have armour below STANAG 4569 level V for modern vehicles(1960-).
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or MRL as AFV's. For example given definiton for AFV refers to "protected by strong armour". What strong armour is on all Self propelled guns or MRL etc. It should be defined that "strong armour" is armoure above STANAG 4569 level V protection for modern AFV's.
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PS. But I agree that this article has expanded past its jurisdiction. Chariots and stuff like that are just taking things too far. Besides, most of the content in this article lacks citations to begin with. The main issue with this article is original research.
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by C Foss is described by the publisher as "a comprehensive illustrated reference tool for the armoured fighting vehicles of the world". over 900 entries covers "tanks, reconnaissance vehicles, armoured personnel carriers and tank destroyers/assault guns". The
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Hi GraemeLeggett, thx for response. Can you cite your sources for your claim and if self-propelled artillery is AFV what else is or not AFV? I have read many articles after your input and I could not find such definition by British Army in any official
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frames with a reinforced roof to protect the men manning it from oil, arrows, and other attack while they battered at the gates until they fell, at which time the troops manning the ram would exit the "vehicle" (as it were) and engage by hand the enemy?
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So I think that we should reach some consensus and to use ACV instead AFV or GCV even they are similar in practical use because ACV is international defined acronym by NATO and OSCE and to delete everything in this article that is not defined as ACV.
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ive noted that most tank related articals on wikipedia are in serious need of an experts opinion, they did well with the most recent edit of the overall tank page. but i would like to note that armoured cars also fall into the catagory of AFV's.
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Is it just me, or would the first AFV been something more like the chariot, early battlewagons, elephants, etc? I'd need to go do more checking (later, it's bedtime), but I'm certain that the AFV/IFV predates the internal combustion engine.
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But I thought Knowledge represents the broader or more encompassing perspective. If the article will be representing the view of just one or two armed forces, then we will need to place this tag on it: {{Globalize/country|date=June 2013}}.
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We have to recognise the term as it has been used - technically a armoured vehicle manufacturer is too close to the subject to accept their word absolutely. The requirement is for sources that are "independent of the subject". The
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I believe that the scope of the article should include what Encyclopedias define as AFV's per GraemeLeggett's post, not the narrow definition of specific militaries (Although those definitions could be mentioned in the article).
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Reliable sources are just that - reliable whether they ex-plumbers writing about geography or civilians writing about military matters (mentioning in passing that the AFV Profile series had a number writers which were ex- or
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If renamed to "Armored combat vehicle" it is possible to contain approximately 1/3 of current content but there is still a need to remove some portions of content that don't belong to "Armored combat vehicle" definition.
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all been referred to as AFVs by several experts and historians. Some of those that quickly come to mind are: D. Glantz, L. Clark, J. House, N. Zetterling, V. Zamulin, M. Healy, M. Barbier, A. Frankson, J. Erickson, etc.
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vehicle with improved ballistic protection levels." I agree with this definition so up-armoured M1114 should be mentioned in "Scout car" section and/or in "Infantry mobility vehicle" by looking described definitions.
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I think it's also time to stop perpetuating the idea that his cannon carrier was "a tank" or in some way a direct ancestor. It doesn't meet Knowledge's definition. It would have been - just - an AFV, but not a tank.
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under the heading of AFV on page 80 of the pdf and the same page also implies Challenger, AS90 and other vehicles also count as AFV. As this looks to be a question of opinions, I'd like to call in others from the
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Write a new article if you want to do that. Armoured vehicles are a notable topic in and of themselves, and are a distinct development from unarmoured vehicles, due to the restrictions imposed by armouring.
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carriers etc. And adding "Multiple rocket launcher" to this article is with all I mentioned before clear sign that this article need a lot of improvment and it is misguiding readers as it is presented now.
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an AFV as although the vehicle is basically a 'battlefield taxi', it is armoured so as to be able to be used on the battlefield, as opposed to being 'soft-skinned' like a truck. Therefore an APC is still a
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protection and cross-country capability. Armoured combat vehicles include armoured personnel carriers, armoured infantry fighting vehicles, and heavy armament combat vehicles given by NATO definitions.
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for the doing. The same might go for a British student were they to use "armored" instead of "armoured", however they are a far smaller group that is less likely overall to suffer from such confusion.
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infantry. The Soviet-designed BMP-1 carries infantry and is armed with an anti-tank missile launcher and a 73mm gun. The British GKN Warrior is a 25-tonne tracked armoured vehicle with a 30mm cannon."
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armored vehicle should not direct to "Armored Fighting Vehicle." I literally am looking for armored (hardened) vehicles such as SUVs, limousines, and others used by diplomats, heads of state, etc.
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wikipedia, a bit like a dictionary, recognises usage of a term ( WP:Commonname and such) and does not try to make its own definitions though it may note what various groups define a term as.
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then them and manufactures what is AFV. It is important to have clear definition based on official documents as references because any other references can lead to misinterpretations.
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about British MOD procurement, Protected Patrol Vehicles (PPVs) are not some subcategory of Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFVs). They are equals and not one under other. And finally in
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seems a pretty clearly noteworthy as a historical precursor; I'm sure there must be others as well, and hence my issue with the language in this section, as it casts too wide a net.
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Still it is possible that ACV is even for British army more official term when we look official document signed by British government - Treaty on conventional armed forces in Europe
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If you ask me AFV is "armoured fighting vehicle (AFV) – neither a tank nor an armoured personnel carrier, but a hybrid evolved in an era of fast-paced warfare in which infantry must
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serves a similar purpose, but has a little more meat, and helps explain the main types. There's no reason why that material shouldn't be here, with a bit more of an introduction.
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subtitled "An Illustrated A-Z Catalogue of Tanks, Armoured Vehicles, Tank Destroyers, Command Versions and Specialized Tanks from 1945 to the Present Day". Or Duncan Crow's
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A treaty or international agreement can have a narrow frame of reference, as can documents internal to a single military. That said, the MoD document you give above lumps
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afv's be mentioned seperatly ?Monowheel afv's are I believe not tracked since the "wheel" is rigid and not loosely transformable (not sure whether it contains air)?
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is currently a redirect to here. The issue of dividing up material into subarticles arises only after someone has written too much material to fit into one article.
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given by NATO definitions. To summarize British definition AFV are:Protected patrol vehicles, Reconnaissance vehicles, Combat vehicles(include tanks and IFV).
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little edits like that cannot enough improve this article and that there is too much to change. Because of that I started this section in talk.
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workshops in order to give it a fighting capability. Such modifications usually consist of the grafting of armour plating and weapon systems."
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There is a lot of confusion in this article. It is not relevant even in using some already established definitions with their own articles.
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machines being called AFVs, but if someone knows of a machine that was armoured and pre-dated the ICE then it could be worth a mention.
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didn't exist until their mass production began is like saying the Model T was the first car and no noteworthy others came before it.
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Why is this article using the British spelling for something that is quite decidedly not British specific, nor of British origin?
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covered tanks (from light to heavy), armoured cars, SP guns, and Universal Carriers]. There's also books such as George Forty's
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from this top-ten IFV list. And as it's a variant of the to the M2 Bradley, this would be twice in the list (anyway!). Cheers,
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There is no Self-propelled artillery, Assault gun carriage, Mortar carrier, Multiple rocket launcher, Armoured train etc...
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Ok, I see what you have but that is some authors point not official British army designations for AFV term. So I was on to
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Army could issue a document saying that nothing under 25 tons and 75mm gun is an AFV and that their latest purchase uses a
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This issue has been resolved, and I have therefore removed the tag, if not already done. No further action is necessary.—
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Besides "America's Funniest Home Videos", AFV also stands for "alternative fuel vehicle," which gets a lot of hits too.
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My considered opinion is that regardless of the term used, ACV/GCV or whatever these remain subcategories of AFV.
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AFVs can be wheeled or tracked. It is not uncommon for AFVs to be simply referred to as "armour" (or "armor")."
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SonofSetanta why we should put ACV and GCV under AFV and not as equals there must be clear reason for that?
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if you looked at some of those hits your searches brought up, you'd see that not all of the are armored.
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This article has become a "Category" for itself and clearly it is not a article about AFV's.
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says that it is an AFV, then a wikipedia article could place it in that category .
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is an ngram of the different possibilities. As for unarmoured combat vehicles,
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there is official definition by UK government what is AF in page number 78.
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Well I think you'll find the term is more inclusive than exclusive. There's
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Motorcycles, trucks, UAVs - all are combat vehicles. As per Necrothesp also.
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World War Two AFVs: Armoured Fighting Vehicles and Self-propelled Artillery
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I have added a note about spelling differences to clarify the matter.
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project. As a group they will have access to a multitude of sources.
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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal.
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RfC: Confusion in article - general revision and change is needed?
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