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I am somewhat questioning the recent removal of the "Planets in Indian
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I removed them entirely (as I suggested when this article was originally split from the astronomical symbols article). There is no logical reason to include them, as this is an article on the symbols, not on how to represent the symbols in text documents. If desired, they can be added back as text
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Being as the others are clearly annotated it would be for the sake of completion that someone might draw the alternate
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A late comment, unlike Uranus, which are two unrelated symbols, Capricorn is merely graphic variation of the same symbol. You can see that in some manuscripts, which have a form intermediate between the two mentioned here. Other zodiac signs have similar variation (e.g. Virgo with a single hump and
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I always assumed that the VS was a stylised picture of the head and tail of a sea-goat. The V would be the goat's head (compare to the Aries glyph, which is a ram's head), and the loop would be its looped tail. (The sea-goat has a looped fish tail.) The 76 glyph simplifies the head, but keeps the
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First the section on the Hindu Zodiac did not belong in the article because this article is about symbols first and foremeost, not the zodiac, there were no symbols in that section. Second, I see that as before, U+02A1 has been misidentified as the symbol for Ceres. It is actually LATIN LETTER
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You would never see a Ceres symbol with serifs, or a bulge at the tip of the hook, as you can see in the unicode code charts. A letter is a letter, and is used and often styled differently from symbols. Furthurmore, arguing that mere looks make them equivalent is like treating l and I as
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Someone please do this. As someone unfamiliar with astrology by familiar with both astronomy and the classics, it's fairly obvious that the symbol came first, and the "meaning" was read into it later -- for example, the cadeceus being the symbol for mercury, or the mirror for Venus,
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Is it appropriate to include the "Meaning of symbol" column in the first section's table? Those purported meanings are by no means consensus among astrologers, and there's no source given. The "symbol represents" column could use a source, too, but at least it
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Well, I've now seen the non-PL symbol. However, even if they are the same age, shouldn't both of the glyphs be represented? Both of them are used in astrology. I'd say that it could be similar to the Eris dual-glyph representation near the bottom of the page.
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The source I cited in the article says that ℞ was, among other things, used to mark responses in missals. The
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The other glyph is as old as the most common one, and is very widely used. A simple websearch should reveal how widely used: I would say that it seems to be preferred to the fused PL symbol. I don't think I need to cite a source since it is
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was right to remove them. But that's a lot to remove – wouldn't it be better to move the information into other relevant articles? Unless it's simply duplicate information, that's a lot of lost info. Any thoughts on this?
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