Talk:Assyrian continuity/Archive 2

790:, but the English aren't Celts. And anyway, native Semites NEVER conflated the terms Syrian and Assyrian. In Aramaic they are distinct. This "proof" rests solely on the bastardization of the terms by foreigners 2. "No proof assyrians were wiped out, all the people who say this are arguing from the bible." That is bs and a straw man. NO ONE EVER SAID ASSYRIA WAS DESTROYED, not even the Bible. (which correctly noted that Ninevah was destroyed) Joseph and others say that Assyrians gradually assimilated into larger neighboring populations. As for the evidence, it's basic anthropology. Their culture ceased to exist. Even before Ninevah fell Assyrian was a national identity and not an ethnic one. Ethnicities do not survive without cultures to them, and in the miraculous case that they do, it is impossible to know this. As for Assyrian religion, Assyria was an Empire and other peoples within adopted its religions. Does the fact that 552:, aka how many other scholars cited the work. The statistics I provided are very, very relevant, and happen to prove my point that joseph et al are more respected in mainstream scholarship than parpola/aprim on this issue. Also, what's wrong with calling the Assyrians assholes? They boast about being assholes. "I built a pillar over against the city gate and I flayed all the chiefs who had revolted and I covered the pillar with their skins. Some I impaled upon the pillar on stakes and others I bound to stakes round the pillar. I cut the limbs off the officers who had rebelled. Many captives I burned with fire and many I took as living captives. From some I cut off their noses, their ears, and their fingers, of many I put out their eyes. I made one pillar of the living and another of heads and I bound their heads to tree trunks round about the city. Their young men and maidens I consumed with fire." (Ashurnasirpal II)-- 846:! 2. No, there is NO PROOF the Assyrians were wiped out or assimilated into larger populations, none whatsoever. The larger populations surrounding them are Iranians, Arabs, Turks and Kurds - The Assyrians are none of those, and their language, culture and recorded presence in the region predates all of those peoples. Again, supposition, wild guesswork and wishful thinking; no evidence, no facts, no proof. In fact we know that Assyrian religion, names and even a degree of independence endured into the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, and a number of Ancient Historians support this. The Church Historians and generic academics you quote are hardly expert in Ancient History. 415:

church, the syriac language, syriac culture, and syriac people. Of course it's believed that monotheism stems from polytheism, but polytheism in this case is not assyrian polytheism, it is canaanite polytheism. Saggs has a nice amount of citations but he does not support continuity in the way the majority of people cited here support it. He's very moderate. As for parpola he's an eminent assyriologist and akkadian linguist scholar and is cited on ancient assyrian history, but his work on modern assyrians is fringe. His main work on the subject, Assyrians After Assyria, is cited

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until the 7th century AD, that Assyrian polytheist religion was still strong in the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, and that it lingered in pockets into the 10th century AD, that the local Eastern Aramaic dialects to this day retain hundreds of Akkadian loan words and grammatical features, as opposed to Levantine Western Aramaic which contain no traces, that many Assyrian cities and towns were known without any shadow of a doubt to have survived after the fall of empire. Joseph and co simply cannot satisfactorily explain away all of these facts, let alone disprove them.

665:) No sorry, citations aren't the issue here, expertise is. Joseph was put down badly on the etymology of Syria already, and everything else he comes out with is supposition, assumption and opinion only. None of it is proven, none of it is backed by overwhelming evidence either. After all I wonder how Joseph explains how Mesopotamian religion was alive and well 900 years after the fsall of the Assyrian Empire? Where is his PROOF that the Assyrians were genocidally wiped off the face of the earth, deported across the globe or bred out by Arabs and Kurds etc? 466:, a follower of Islam. Joseph's field of interest and knowledge is theology, not ancient history, anthropology, archaeology, Assyriology or genetics. Joseph argued vociferously that Syria did not derive from Assyrian, and that because (or so he wrongly thought) it did not, it meant those called Syriacs, East Syrians and the like in northern Mesopotamia and its surrounds were not Assyrians. The proof, evidence and overwhelming weight of scholarly opinion on that matter goes firmly against Joseph, and without that, he really does not have much of an argument. 941:

name which did not originally refer to them. The term Briton (and Prettani) dates ack to the 4th century BC and referred solely to Brittonic speaking Celts inhabiting the Island of Great Britain and various island groups off shore, and by the late Middle Ages these Britons were confined to Conwall, Wales and Brittany. Only after the Act of Union in 1707 did the term also come to encompass the English, Scots and to some degree Irish. That is just like the way Levantine peoples were much later given the name

87:) regarding bias in the article. Certainly, there are more references in support of continuity than against, and I for one have No Objection to critics of continuity being referenced here. However, the intro to the article simply cannot be hogged by the opinion of John Joseph, and that opinion quoted as FACT, that in itself is bias, and a misrepresentation. It is simply not the case that the accepted position is that Assyrian continuity is non existent and only a 19th century creation, it is merely an 31: 912:. The idea that the term Syria came from an obscure tribe living on the slopes of Mount Syrion is utterly fantastical and wholly unrealistic. They would have had to have been a very powerful polity to have come to dominate the entire Levant, northern Mesopotamia and south eastern Anatolia in order to have given their name to this vast region. And yet, they were not. Instead we find from 2500 BC through to 300 BC that region referred to as 580:, unlike for example the Israelites, who did both. Deported peoples were actually provided with food, transport and armed guards also. One important point regarding the study of Ancient History, is to study events and peoples within the context of their times. By todays standards Alexander The Great would be considered an evil tyrant, as would Napoleon, however their behaviour was not unusual for the times they lived in. 228:

Parpola happens to be a joke when it comes to this specific issue. He calls the ancient persians Assyrian and claims Assyrians are the source of Greek philosophy and Jewish monotheism. All wrong. And I have not found a single reliable source giving the Brinkman quote. The current link is dead, and a google search reveals that the terms are only found in mirrors of wikipedia and assyrian nationalist groups.

524:, which many authors (excluding Parpola) cite as being influential on both Judaism and Syriac Christianity. So an attempt to use a well supported argument to try and discredit Parpola is destined to fail, and there is nothing foolish or fringe about his claims. Perhaps you prefer literalist and historically incredulous and unverifiable interpretations of the origins of monotheism as espoused by 383:) ....Seriously? You cant be SERIOUSLY trying to put someone called D Wilmshurs up there with W Saggs and co, not just up there but more relevant??? John Joseph? No way does he equate to Frye, that's ridiculous! He is more on the level of relevance with Mordechai Nisan or Fred Aprim. You are on a loser here, your PPOV is clouding your judgement, badly! 493:, Syriacs are actually Assyrian anyway. The name, when applied to Levantines much much later in history, is a misnomer and misapplication. And of course, the Syriac language developed in historical Assyria, but its interest to those studying Syriac Studies is primarily within a religious/theological context. There is no such race or ethnicity as 222:

He can read Syriac. (scratch that he's way more credible than Saggs) All of the aforementioned study the history of Syriac Christians in particular. Your most ridiculous claim is that Jon Joseph is irrelevant. Firstly, he's an "Assyrian" himself. Secondly, he's a Professor Emeritus of History and has

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One of the real problems John Joseph and his followers have is that there is indeed a total absence of proof that Assyria and its people were utterly destroyed. Indeed, the evidence in actuality indicates the exact opposite. Consider the fact that Assyria remained extant as a geo-political entity up

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As for Frye, yes he does have great knowledge regarding Assyria, you do realise I hope that Assyriology and Iranology overlap, and to be an expert in one usually means you have an excellent knowledge of the other? A case in point regarding Frye vs Joseph is that Frye has been proven correct and John

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did not commit any sort of genocide or ethnic cleansing. I have told you this before and you still use the laughable comparison to the Israelites. Assyrians in their time were infamous for their ruthlessness and brutality, it is not just a matter of modern perspective. Saggs, an Assyriophile, makes

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Citations on Knowledge are an utter red herring, simply because contributors can cite the same person over and over, sometimes citing the very same passage repeatedly. To suggest more Wiki citations is proof that the author of said citations is more relevant or qualified than an author who has less

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Meanwhile, Frye is an Iranologist. He does not specialize in anything Syriac or Assyrian. The only people you mention that are scholars of relevant fields are John Brinkman, a Mesopotamian studies specialist, and Parpola, an Assyriologist. Neither are syriacists, but they do have authority. Except

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The intro to the article should, in the interest of fairness and balance, simply mention some of those for, against and indeed ambivalent. The opinions of Joseph, Parpola, Saggs, Fiey and others should then be mentioned in a little more detail (with references) in the relevant section of the page,

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in the strict historical or ethnic sense of the word. But it is an unfortunate analogy for you to have raised, because by doing so you contradict your own argument. The reason being it is a good example of a later people adopting the name originally given to an earlier and different people, and a

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Another problem Joseph, Becker et al have is that they repeatedly attempted to use the fact that later terms Syria/Syriac/Syrian/East Syrian were used instead of or interchangeably alongside Assyria/Assyrian/Athura/Assuri was evidence that Assyrians were not Assyrians but in fact some shadowy and

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What is Canaanite-Aramaean polytheism? I'm talking about Canaanite polytheism specifically, not northwest semitic religion. Canaanite religion has some mesop influence but most of the similarities are in the fact that they are both from proto-semitic religion. And most importantly, the monotheism

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referenced in the article are themselves of the same ilk, but more importantly, there are many recognised experts in the field quoted who do support continuity. Writers such as Saggs, Parpola, Brinkman, Frye etc, as specialists and experts in matters Assyrian, will naturally hold more weight than

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In addition to Assyrian culture surviving and then fading into Christianity, yes ethnicities DO survive after a change of culture. The English today are culturally a world apart from old Anglo-Saxon pagan culture. Does this mean they are not English? I can quote literally dozens of peoples whose

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times (I stopped counting after the 4th page) Wilmshurst's body of work is cited 37 times on the first page (too lazy to check others), which isn't much but is much more than aprim. Assyriology and Iranology are different disciplines. Syriac studies is not theology. Its the history of the syriac

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Joseph has a degree, in all honesty, so what? So do I in that very field of study, that may make me more of an expert than some, but not more than accredited and eminent specialists in the field like Saggs, Frye, Parpola, Brinkman, Crome, MacDonald, Cook etc etc. Joseph is not an Assyriologist,

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Assyriology and Iranology overlap in quite a major way, surely you must realise this??? Because you would rather id did not overlap, it does not make it not true, and it would be unwise to try to denigrate or demote the relevance or knowledge of Richard Nelson Frye because of this mistaken and

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thrives today mean the Romans are with us? Face it, you are on the wrong side of scholarship. Even citations don't matter to you, only your debunked talking points. Plenty of reliable sources say Assyrian continuity is a fringe theory, you can't produce one saying its mainstream among modern

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theological term for followers of various Eastern Rite Christian Churches. Neither have any meaning as a description of a specific ethnic group. However, both Syrian and Syriac do have meaning in reference to Assyrians, as they derive from it etymologically, and were used originally only in

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Your arguments are dishonest, biased and motivated by something other than innocent academic debate; they are motivated purely by a PPOV that I am guessing is based on ethno-religious identity you hold. Why are you so obsessed by the poor Assyrians? Is it because you see yourself as an

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peoples in specific and sole reference to Assyria and its people. Syrian meant only Assyrian until Hellenic times, and after that it still meant Assyrian, and also meant Levantines, and it is a historical, etymological and geographical misnomer when applied to the Levant.

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Joseph has a degree and is from an Assyrian community, which by the way, so are many proponents of Assyrian continuity. You simply cannot use Joseph's ethnicity as having significance without attributing the same significance to Assyrians who do support continuity.

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Once more, citations, be they on Wiki or elsewhere are not the issue. Joseph is not specifically qualified on the subject, and Joseph certainly is not as well qualified as Saggs, Frye, Brinkman, Parpola et al on the subject. That is not to say his

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None of the against referenced academics are specialists upon the subject, none are Assyriologists, Iranologists, Professors of Ancient History, Orientalists, Archaeologists, Archaeogeneticists, Geneticists, Anthropologists or Linguists.

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or maybe you are a Kurd, Arab, Turk etc....I do not know why and what is causing your obsession to be honest, but your attacks are dishonest, unfair, unbalanced, mean spirited, blatantly biased and most importantly inaccurate.

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First it's citations on wikipedia. Then it's citations everywhere else. Citations matter. Qualifications are subjective, but times cited is objective. If you read any modern book about Judah and Israel, you would know that the

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an Assyriologist, he is not an Iranologist, not an Orientalist, not a Classicist, not Archaeologist, not a Geneticist, not an Anthropologist, not an Archaeogeneticist, not a Linguist, he is (according to his own Wiki page) an

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held by John Joseph, so stating this in the intro is utterly wrong, both in terms of accuracy and balance, and also because Joseph appears to have no accredited expertise or academic qualifications pertaining to the subject.

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Joseph could be cited a thousand times, but it still would not make him an Assyriologist, Archaeologist, Anthropologist or Ancient Historian, because he simply is not. A clue to his field of knowledge is in his book

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was in existence from the 9th century BC and in reference to where? Answer; Assyria. Why did the levantines call their states Aram-Damascus, Aram Sobah, Aram Rehob, Bet Agushi etc etc, they never called themselves

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historians. And you will never find one. Because the evidence of continuity amounts to a pathetic timeline of a dozen mentions, all of them dubious. You will realize this the day you are honest with yourself.--

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Saggs is pretty clear on continuity by the way, and it is foolhardy in the extreme to attempt to raise the theologian Wilmshurst above him on matters Assyrian, nobody at all will take that claim seriously.

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As for the Arab Sociologist you embedded with Joseph's reference? I gave him a separate entry in the Against continuity camp, in order to present a bit of balance. But in all honesty, the man is a

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Syriac Studies mainly, if not exclusively, deals with Syriac Christianity, it's churches, theologies, dogmas and the history of those churches, a rather narrow field of study. However, since

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part is purely a hebrew innovation. (though the zoroastrians developed it separately) And I'm not talking about citations in wikipedia. Did you click the links? The links show citations in

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The fact is the majority opinion is against continuity. Do you have a source after saying that most people agree with continuity? I have multiple sources saying most scholars dismiss it.--

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is usually a generic a term for Syriac Christianity, though I can find nothing on Becker that puts him in the field of Assyriology, Iranology, Ancient History or Orientalism.

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is a modern source, and a little more relevant than the likes of Joseph, as is Saggs, Parpola, Brinkman, Biggs, Crone, MacDonald, Cook among others. None of those writers are

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a PHD in Middle Eastern History from Princeton. Thirdly, his magnum opis "Modern Assyrians" is itself a classic, and the primary reason why scholars today reject Assyrianism.

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Joseph, Fiey, and indeed than pro-continuity writers such as Wigram and Soane. There is also a degree of support from accredited Anthropologists, Linguists and Geneticists.

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Canaanite religion was strongly influenced by their more powerful and populous neighbors, and shows clear influence of Mesopotamian and Egyptian religious practices

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term referring to ANY follower of a church within the umbrella of Syriac Christianity, regardless of ethnicity, history or geography, even including people from

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quoted by Monochrome today, even though as such, he has no specialist knowledge on the subject whatsoever, in fact, his Wiki page states he lectures on

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It's funny how you return to the same two arguments used by assyrian nationalists. 1. Syria comes from Assyria. This is fallacious. Briton comes from

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More generally, the problem for those arguing against continuity is that pretty much all of the academics mentioned as being against are just that,

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The old Biblical story of ASSYRIA being left an empty and desolate land has been proven to be bullcrap, and almost no scholars accept that '

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light of Assyrian warfare, but the fact is that Ancient Assyrian warfare, like Ancient Assyrian culture, was unusually violent and cruel.

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Canaanite-Aramean polytheism was heavily influenced and to a great extent (although not exclusively) a derivative of the much earlier

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Regarding Parpola, whatever YOU may think of him, he is an accredited and eminent expert in the field. As for his opinions on

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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To argue Wilmshurst is 'way more relevant' than Saggs is utterly risible, and you know it! Wilmshurst is NOT a

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This article is a complete joke and provides no historical insight, just politically driven Assyrian ideology.

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today is the name of an Assyrian originating dialect of Eastern Aramaic on the one hand, and on the other a

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Well if you have read Saggs' The Might That Was Assyria you will learn that the Assyrians never committed

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he is a (compared to Saggs, obscure) theologian who has one or two works published in the narrow field of

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Unless Joseph can PROVE those things happened, he has no argument at all, just unsupported opinions.

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1. Actually Syria DOES come from Assyria; etymologically, historically, geographically, now that is

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and its peoples have been misnamed. After all a Syrian today simply means a citizen of the

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are not particularly non PPOV, academic, fair, helpful or enlightening either by the way.

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He's a classicist and an Orientalist (like Saggs) and a scholar of the Church of the East.

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cultures have changed or been replaced wholesale. So that argument is risible nonsense.

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Iranologist, Anthropologist, Archaeologist, Linguist, Geneticist or Archeogenetecist.

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This argument is simply not supportable and has been disproven. We now know that the

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all clearly stating Syria/Syrians derives from Assyria/Assyrians it is hardly a

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reference to the geographical, historic and ethnic Assyria and Assyrians.

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An Introduction to Syriac Studies Sebastian P. Brock - second edition 2006

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who disagrees with his points. Becker is a generic academician too, and

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which was a central plank of his argument against Assyrian continuity.

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times- far less than the nestorians and their muslim neighbors.--

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for your own self interest, but that does not mean that it is.

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Regarding Canaanite religion, even the Wiki entry states that

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And you are correct, the English (and the Scots too) are not

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derives etymologically, geographically and historically from

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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should not get a mention, however it certainly is not

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