Talk:Ateneo de Manila University

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in the Ateneo de Manila's history section of an episode in the early Jesuit educational enterprise in the Philippines where the defunct "Universidad de San Ignacio" may figure seems to make for the Ateneo a feeble connection to the titles "royal and pontifical", which an extant Philippine university entitles itself with (as supported by a Spanish monarch's decree and a pope's constitution formally granting to it the titles respectively). I do not see any substantial or highly significant need to include in the article the section "Early History" for it stands apart as early history of the Jesuits in the Philippines and not properly of the Ateneo de Manila's. It does not even introduce a concrete causal link between the demise of Colegio de San Ignacio and the rise of Escuela Municipal de Manila which is the undeniable forerunner of the Ateneo de Manila. The "19th Century" section is the one that really tells of the definitive beginning of the Ateneo de Manila University.

2583:"There was no trouble with the music copyright which had by now descended to Gordon V. Thompson. They were willing to sell for $ 1, but the heirs of Judge Weir objected to the changes in the original version. Since Judge Weir died in 1926, the Weir version would not come into public domain until 1976. There was some doubt that the Weir family had legal grounds for objection since Thompson's apparently held copyright on both music and English words. However the committee preferred to settle the matter amicably if at all possible. The Government acquired the rights from G.V. Thompson in 1970." 620: 599: 1581:"Ateneo. Popular name of Jesuit institutions of learning in the Philippines. Spanish form of the Latin word Atheneum, which the Dictionary of Classical Antiquities defines as the name of the “first educational institution in Rome” where “rhetoreticians and poets held their recitations.” Fr. James Meany, S.J. further explains that this name is derived from a Greek temple dedicated to Athena, the goddess of wisdom, where the Encyclopedia Britannica says “poets and men of learning were accustomed to meet and read their productions.” 3154:"Catalogus" of the Philippine Province of the Jesuits lists two names referring to the same school. On top of page 28, it reads "University of the Immaculate Conception BVM" and only below it does one find "Ateneo de Manila University". BVM is the abbreviation for "of the Blessed Virgin Mary," in Latin. In other words, the official religious name, as it were, of the Ateneo de Manila University is "The University of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary." 725: 704: 342: 630: 283: 843: 3826: 3802: 3704: 3654: 3640: 3607: 537: 519: 3788: 3757: 3732: 3694: 3668: 3593: 735: 3048:"The tune is adapted from Calixa Lavallée's hymn "O Canada", composed in 1880. It is commonly believed that Ateneo merely copied the music of Canada's national anthem. However, the song's melody was simply a popular marching tune in the public domain, and "O Canada" became Canada's national anthem only in 1980, three decades after the Ateneo de Manila adopted "A Song for Mary."" 2060:

This is closer to, say, Boston College's article. I've restored the history and culture and traditions sections since every school article (especially if one refers to the WikiProject:Schools thing) ought to have a section on history, and what sets it apart from other articles. It has been this completeness of information which helped this article be listed as a Good Article.

1601:"When mentioned for the first time, the full name Ateneo de Manila University should be used. Subsequent references can use the full name, or the abbreviated form Ateneo de Manila. When there are no other Ateneos involved, it can be referred to as the Ateneo. Otherwise, always add the qualifier de Manila for clarification. Not doing so would be an unjustified act of hubris. 488: 4562:"Faculty of", etc. note that "Alumni" categories are only for former students, including graduates; current students are not considered alumni) instead, limiting the explicit list to very well-known persons (heads of state, historical figures, etc.) and adding a narrative summary of statistics on such things as Nobel Prizes, other prestigious awards, and so on.". 1607:"The official title of the University is Ateneo de Manila University. The school name is Ateneo de Manila. The school's 'nickname' is Ateneo, and should only be referred to as 'the Ateneo' if it is clear that it is the Ateneo de Manila that is being talked about. Otherwise, usage of the school name (Ateneo de Manila) should be used prior to just 'the Ateneo.'" 61: 21: 1123: 1102: 3537: 1209: 4161: 1133: 2074:

further reading. The main article's sections features a good summary with highlights while the divided articles features everything else one would need to know about that specific section. But if you think that the current state of the article is fine then so be it. Although what it really needs right now is pictures though. --

3059:'Song of Mary' adopted it. Stating that Ateneo was 'first' to make their song 'official' is useless, because you already established that the melody was indeed copied from... surprise! "O, Canada" -- whose melody did not change from the time it was composed, when it was officially made the national anthem and until now. 2519:(in this case, Lavallee) dies. The melody which was therefore adopted was already well within the public domain. The Canadian National Anthem entered the public domain in 1980 when it was adopted through the National Anthem Act, years after the melody which was used for it was already within the public domain. 3058:

3. Third sentence: It states that the melody of the copied song is a popular marching tune and in the public domain -- I think you are referring to the melody of "O, Canada" which is Canada's national anthem -- in which case you need to verify your sources that it was indeed in the public domain when

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Adding references to O, Canada possibly being unoriginal is not necessary in the discussion of 'Song of Mary'. The argument (again not necessary) that the melody was procured by Reuter from the public domain is also erroneous and should be removed. The statement of fact that Ateneo officially adopted

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Careful reading of the text in the official O, Canada article will show that the anthem (O, Canada, with the melody and the lyrics which were adopted) was declared to be in the public domain. The melody was composed before that. Compositions and pieces enter the public domain 50 years after the owner

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The theme "March of the Priests" is very similar to, and may have inspired, Calixa Lavallée's music for the Canadian national anthem "O Canada". In the Gilbert and Sullivan operetta Iolanthe, Sir Arthur Sullivan included a musical homage to the Queen of the Night's aria when introducing the character

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Could the one who wrote that the Ateneo's October Medal is that of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel be referring to the October Medal before the 1960s? I am sure that today and for the past few decades, the Ateneo October Medal is the Medal of the Immaculate Conception attached to a blue ribbon -- which would

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It offers a better description if Ninoy Aquino is described as a Bedan who studied in Ateneo, being a Bedan should take precedence since he actually graduated from this school and got a diploma as opposed to merely studying but not graduating....both can claim him as alumni but one should take proper

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The article length's something that used to worry me, until I realized that Knowledge's full of long articles anyway. This one's just like the articles of other universities (some are even longer). It isn't patterned after any of the articles from the Philippines, since those are rather insufficient.

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Ateneo de Manila, not only strictly speaking, is in no way a declared pontifical university at any point in its history (that properly began in 1859), comparable to the case of Gregorianum, Urbaniana, Seraphicum, Angelicum, Sanctae Crucis, or even the University of St. Thomas in Manila. The inclusion

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I have removed portions that are blatant promotional material, and reworded several parts to sound less commercial. Some changes include the removal of adjectives which imply favor with Ateneo, and the removal of references to "the Ateneo" in favor of "Ateneo," so as not to sound elitist. I have also

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2. Second sentence: It states that people believe that the song was copied from Canada's national anthem. But this is, as stated in the first sentence "O, Canada". I don't know why this escapes you, but the melody of "O, Canada" in 1880 and in 1903 when the current LYRICS of "O, Canada" was written,

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Just trim this section to the facts about the song and remove biased misleading statements. This song was composed by so and so, and adapted from this song. Period. And unless you can prove it, you cannot include your public domain statement. There is even no reference here to what year the song was

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At the same time, I hope whoever said it was Our Lady of Mount Carmel would e-mail me to tell me where he/she heard that the October Medal was a medal of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel. Perhaps you heard it from a reliable old alumnus? Perhaps before the 1960s, the medal really WAS that of Our Lady of Mt.

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There is a university rivalry. That fact can't be ignored. Second, why only PAASCU accreditation? Is PAASCU accreditation that important really, in light of all other kinds of recognition? The PAASCU mention almost seems to be like how eTelecare proudly claims to be the 2005 Employee of the Year (as

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section of the article, "Individual notable alumni should be mentioned only in extraordinary cases; typically, statistics such as X Nobel laureates are preferred." and for Noted People, "For very old, very large, or very prestigious schools it may be more appropriate to use categories ("Alumni of",

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and reference criteria. Currently this article does not include in-line citations. It is recommended that the article's editors take a look at the inclusion of in-line citations as well as how the article stacks up against the rest of the Good Article criteria. GA reviewers will give you at least a

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Finally, let me share that it is a rather common error to think that Jesus is the referent of the phrase, "the Immaculate Conception." He of course was conceived without sin in Mary's womb. But this is by his own merits. The phrase, "the Immaculate Conception" refers not to Jesus being conceived

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The tune is adapted from Calixa Lavallée's hymn "O Canada", a popular Canadian marching tune composed in 1880, which may have been adapted from "The March of the Priests" from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's The Magic Flute (Die Zauberflöte). It is commonly believed that Ateneo merely copied the music of

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I'm not saying that the history/culture/traditions sections should be removed. What i've seen in several good and featured education articles is that they have the history/culture/traditions in the main article but also has its own more in-depth separate article which contained more information for

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Hmm... I was worried that "the Ateneo" might be the correct usage after all. The part about Marian Blue still really seems to tilt the article in Ateneo's favor, though, with all the adjectives that assign to Ateneo an implicit greatness. Ok, for now, after you restore it, I'll go and restore mine,

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are notable. The "Recent history" section is too long, and poorly structured. There is also a tendency towards excessive sourcing; 4-6 inline citations is not necessary when dealing with entirely uncontroversial facts. This makes the text hard to read, hard to edit, and bloats the size of the page.

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It is obvious that the article fails 1b, particularly as it relates to layout. There are several single-sentence paragraphs, single-paragraph sections, even a single-sentence section. There is excessive use of embedded lists, and far too many redlinks where is it not at all clear that the subjects

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week's time from the date of this notice to work on the in-line citations before doing a full re-review and deciding if the article still merits being considered a Good Article or would need to be de-listed. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us on the Good Article project

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It is correct to speak of "The Immaculate Conception of Our Lady" but it is incorrect to speak of "Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception." The Ateneo's patroness is "The Immaculate Conception," not "Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception." As a matter of fact and perhaps of interest, the Official

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March 28, DLSU had full Internet connection. FTP, gopher, and web servers were configured and made accessible to the Internet. (blah blah blah) In October 15, registered gopher server to University of Minnesota (main gopher server in the Internet) December, created a Philippine web site, the first

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I've restored the section on culture, sports, and traditions, and have restructured it so that there are three separate sections on culture, sports, and traditions. This content is important to talk about why this particular university is unique in all others. In the meantime, I am not listing the

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However, in the Philippines, the name Ateneo is not merely a common Spanish noun, and is recognized as the official title of Jesuit institutions of higher learning. Thus, to say that one is attending classes at Ateneo is also appropriate. The use of “the” also becomes inappropriate at times, as in

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In 1621, Pope Gregory XV through the Archbishop of Manila authorized the San Ignacio to confer degrees in theology and arts and elevated it to a university. In 1623, King Philip IV of Spain confirmed the authorization, making the school both a pontifical and a royal university, and the very first

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The article is also in need of formatting changes, and perhaps some rewordings to make it sound less awkward. In particular, I notice a lack of several commas, quotation marks, and italicizations, where there should be some. Many Latin words, for instance, do not have quotes or italics on them. I

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The target readers are not filipinos. It will give a guide to foreigners /non-filipinos. I feel that there would be no disputes with those statements and they are generally accepted(?) .e.g. Filipinos go to Ateneo and UP for Law, UP and UST for medicine, many government officials are from UP and

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Early History section may be deleted because it is not substantially about the Ateneo de Manila. Rather, it pertains to the Jesuit educational mission before their suppression and expulsion from the Philippines. The Ateneo de Manila did not come about as a consequence of re-openning a previously

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guidelines must also be followed. These guidelines say, among other things: "Very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit the flow of the prose", and "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the

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Ateneans may be interested to know that, in the same abovementioned Official Catalogus of the Philippine Jesuits, Ateneo de Naga University is also referred to as "University of St. Francis Xavier." The various Ateneo universities, in other words, sort of have a "religious name" each. Ateneo de

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Also, you should remove the bias about Ateneo adopting the melody before Canada adopting their national anthem. The facts are: O, Canada was composed in 1880, well before Ateneo adopted 'Song of Mary', and had been known to Canadians since then, whether or not it was their national anthem. So to

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Strictly speaking, the Ateneo de Manila is NOT Royal and Pontifical. It traces its roots to the educational tradition Universidad de San Ignacio (Not as an institution, though. The roots of the Ateneo are the Escuela Municipal, whereas the San Ignacio was a university established several hundred

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To build on this 14 year old discussion, I've edited the text, and substantially reduced the usage of "the" in line with current practice. I've shifted in my own opinion regarding this, over the years, as I used to be obsessive with the 'the', but now realize that when used with the nickname too

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also, compared with other articles on schools and universities (e.g. UST and De La Salle), this article contains information that does not concern the school. The other school articles are in true encyclopedia form, talk about the school itself. This one seeems to promote the school as a major

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I fail to appreciate the argument. The facts are simple: The Ateneo, through Col. Campana (not Reuter) adapted the melody of O, Canada for the Song for Mary. This adaptation was done BEFORE Canada's legislature passed the Act adopting O, Canada (in the form wherein it featured BOTH lyrics and a

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I think it's clear enough. It clearly indicates the San Ignacio. This is relevant to the article because the San Ignacio is the reason why the people of Manila asked the government to have the Jesuits take over the Escuela Municipal, which is now the Ateneo de Manila. What clarification does it

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As Coffee has cited, the links to the Ateneo subpages make the article look like a webdirectory. As I see it, a link to the main university site (from where the other links can be reached) should be sufficient. Only very notable subpages should be listed separately. Compare other articles on

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I think the PAASCU accreditation in the intro is kinda out of place. As someone who's a bit familiar with university rivalries, the PAASCU accreditation mention at the start of the article seems to be an insecure response to another university's boasting of its own accreditation. Surely ADMU's

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The Aegis site is just an announcements site for Batch 2006, and it's of no use to Knowledge readers. The departments section had to go since there must be at least 50 departments and all those sites can be reached through ateneo.edu anyway. The official site is practically a portal to all the

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It is inelegant and perhaps misleading to refer to Our Lady as "Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception," because she =herself= is the Immaculate Conception. As she said in her apparitions in Lourdes, "I am the Immaculate Conception". The immaculate conception is she who was conceived without

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Where is the reference that the melody was in the public domain when 'Song of Mary' was composed? In wikipedia and in the Official O, Canada website, it was only in 1980, when O, Canada was adopted as the national anthem was the melody declared to be in the public domain. The way the entry is

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I have added the section "Departments" in the external links. Kindly add other departments in the insitution. The list has been sorted alphabetically given the subject-name of the department (i.e. "Chemistry" for the Department of Chemistry, "Japanese" for the Japanese Studies Program, and

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Only if relevant. A lot of university articles don't even bother placing rankings. If they are to be placed here, the question is, what data should be included? The precise statistical data is available, as well as a response by the university administration with regard to the ranking.

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If the word is treated as a Spanish word, references to the school become appropriate renditions of “el Ateneo,” or literally, “the school.” Therefore, the use of “the” before the word Ateneo is appropriate. Thus, the common usage, “the Ateneo” can stand and be used liberally, as in

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text; by the same token, paragraphs that exceed a certain length become hard to read." Sections containing two to three paragraphs of c. 5–10 sentences each are to be preferred (the "Library system and Museums" is not too far off, though it contains a single-sentence paragraph.)

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guidelines that need to be followed. It is impossible to give an exact answer to how many embedded lists is appropriate, but it is clear that this article (where the "Institution" section alone has seven) contains too many. A look at certain similar Featured articles, like

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Reading the cited text above shows that this Gordon V. Thompson owned the copyright to the "Weir version" of O, Canada as the anthem (lyrics + melody), which is what Canada purchased. It does not say that the song as Lavallee composed it was the one outside the public

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Under the Ateneo de Manila University link, there should be four sub-bullets of the four schools (School of Science and Engineering , School of Management , School of Humanities , and School of Social Sciences ), and under which are the various departments of each

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Some of the more blatantly obvious non-NPOV sections include: The whole Mission-Vision part. The section on the Blue Eagle--it sounds pretty biased to me. The section on the Cheering tradition--this is difficult to make encyclopedic without deleting most of it.

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I agree that my writing of notable alumni in both the Lead and Alumnni sections are superfluous. I didn't know nor did I consult any guidelines prior. However, according to the guideline, having a concise list of notable alumni is not considered

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I would like to eventually remove even the phrases with adjectives that skirt the borders of objectivity, such as "Moro is the largest gymnasium in the Philippines" in favor of more concrete phrases such as "Moro measures so-and-so meters."

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Reading the article entry, it's a response to the possible point that the Ateneo copied Canada's national anthem when the Song for Mary was composed. O, Canada was not yet Canada's national anthem when the melody was adapted. That's pretty

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An inspection of the one being used today in October 2006 and when I was in the grade school back in the 1960s is clearly the Medal of the Immaculate Conception, more popularly known as Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal. See for example

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This sort of comment presupposes two things: an existence of so-called "university rivalries," as well as an irrational insecurity that has to be addressed. Neither, however, hold, especially upon examination of the rest of the article.

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These comments are meant to explain further the objections raised above. Once these issues have been addressed, please contact me and I will give a more thorough review. Feel free to ask is there are any problems or issues of concern.

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This is very important for readers and researchers, due to the need to know the rank in the world: In the 2008 global "Top 500" ranking, by The Times Higher Education Supplement and consultancy Quacquarelli Symonds (THES-QS), only 2

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Irrelevant. Ninoy Aquino's attending San Beda is irrelevant to his attending the Ateneo, and moreso with regard to this article. How San Beda considers Ninoy as an alumnus of San Beda is also irrelevant with regard to this article.

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I'd agree with Rmcsamson here, Ninoy was both an Atenean and a Bedan, since this is the Ateneo article, Ninoy as an Atenean will be preeminent here, while on the SBC article, Ninoy as a Bedan would be the one's that is prominent.

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or you may contact me personally. On behalf of the Good Articles Project, I want to thank you for all the time and effort that you have put into working on this article and improving the overall quality of the Knowledge project.

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Please change it. (I've been trying to change it, but you keep on reverting it to the old erroneous text). You cannot invent facts about the Canadian national anthem here. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia not a brochure.

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I am concerned about the CONTENT that was edited. The facts are incomplete, and therefore the summary is inaccurate. The edit which I put is more accurate, and has bases in such material facts as centers of excellence, etc.

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This is just a preliminary review; if anyone decides to start revising the article within the next week, I will make a more thorough one. It will be quite a demanding task though, and can probably not be done in a hurry.

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can give an idea of what is considered good practice on Knowledge. Ask the questions: 1. Is this information really necessary to give the reader an understanding of the subject? 2. If yes: can it be re-written in prose

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Another matter of concern is NPOV. Will such a statement, "It is known for its programs in..." be ""conversant with this standard? If not, it may be better to eliminate those statements from ALL the schools' summaries.

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Also, the wiki entry to the Magic flute says "may have inspired", while the original Ateneo entry (which I noticed was just changed) said: "The tune is adapted from Calixa Lavallée's hymn "O Canada", composed in 1880,

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But as the text stands today, I'm absolutely sure that for forty years now, the Ateneo October medal is that of Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal which is otherwise called the Medal of the Immaculate Conception.

3548:. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, listed below. I will check back in seven days. If these issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a 2206:

In March 29, 1994, at the University of San Carlos (USC), Talamban, Cebu, Philippines was linked to the world via the Internet. It got connected to Sprintlink, which at the time was carrying the backbone for

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years before the Jesuit takeover of the Escuela Municipal.), which was the first university in the Philippines (and arguably, Asia), and the first royal and pontifical university in the country (and in Asia).

2622:"There is no copyright on the melody and the words of the national anthem, the Act having declared them to be in the public domain. It is possible, however, to copyright the arrangements made to the melody." 1776:

The appropriate classification might be, Professional Schools, Loyola Schools, High School, Grade School. And then divide accordingly into subdepartments. Anyway, there is now a separate page for the Loyola

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Also, please show us your references that Col. Campana/Reuter state that this was indeed an adaptation. If you don't know, do not put your inferences as fact here. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable.

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established Jesuit school that closed down when the religious order went through suppression. Hence, there is no highly significant or concrete link between the sections Early History and 19th Century.

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This is a good idea, but there may be issues regarding copyright. I'm sure some of the images are old enough to be in the public domain, but I don't know if they can just be released for posting here.

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From the O, Canada website: "By the time the World War broke out in 1914, "O Canada" was the best known patriotic song in Canada, edging out "The Maple leaf Forever" and others less well-known today."

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I really think there are very few pictures in the History section. Doesn't the school have an entire archive of pictures from old times? Can't we put them here in the relevant sections? Thanks. :D

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without sin, but to his mother's having been conceived without sin, not through her own merits but "by a singular grace and privilege granted by almighty Gd in view of the merits of Jesus Christ," (

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If Col. Campana and not Reuter adopted the melody -- then why isn't that even stated in this article??? This is what it says now: "However, with the campus' move from Padre Faura to Loyola Heights,

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I believe having an index of the departments will be really helpful as it will point the reader to specific areas of the Ateneo, when possibly he or she just arrived at the main Ateneo article page.

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There's nothing to discuss here, actually. Does Benigno Aquino, Jr. fit the description of an alumnus? Yes. Does the Ateneo de Manila University acknowledge him as an alumnus? Yes. Case closed.

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When did Canadians start singing "O Canada" with gusto? Its like being gay, a person is a closet gay, but until he announces to the whole world that he's gay, he's still officially, a "man". --

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As of this writing, I've added in-line citations and copyedited some of the text. The next edits will include an expansion of the lead, additional images, and updating section information.

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For the article to maintain its GA status, the logos need detailed fair use rationales. Look to other passed GA/FAs for examples. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions. --

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Also, it is not necessary to discuss the copying controversy when it is already stated that the song was already an adaptation of... surprise! O, Canada. Is the melody of 'Song for Mary'

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articles should have links from the main article, not the other way around. Also, i think the Blue Eagle and Cheering traditions should be removed since they're already included in the

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their alma mater "first" is misleading because it is used in the context that O, Canada was not a copyrighted song, and it fails to mention all the points which I have discussed here.

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To the person who has made the personal conclusion that the tune of O, Canada was based on the Magic Flute. Where is the reference pointing to this? Did the composer actually say so?

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Hey there. I'll restore the library links. Those are pretty important. Also, since the yearbook is the University annual, I'll have to restore that too. I'll try to cut away the rest.

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There are at least ten dead links. In addition to this, there are far too much reliance on self-published sources by the university, which can lead to problems with neutrality.

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What this tells me is, someone named Gordon V. Thompson held the copyright to the music and lyrics to the O, Canada and it was purchased by the Canadian government in 1970.

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The name Ateneo was adopted by the Escuela Municipal de Manila in 1865, becoming the Ateneo Municipal de Manila. The Spanish roots of the word therefore present a dilemma.

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section should be severely trimmed or moved to its own article. but I don't support a standalone article because it is rather crufty and really full of primary sources.

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I am tempted to edit the part of the article which speaks of the October Medal as that of our Lady of Mount Carmel. But I am not sure, so I'd like to hear from others.

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to cut down drastically on external links. Knowledge is not a webdirectory. There are currently 36 links. 8-10 should be more than enough. Please see the guideline at

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Most of the photos of buildings in the AdMU campus that were added to this article were added to Wikimedia Commons beforehand. Allow me to remind future editors that

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Woah, that's awesome, in particular, the bit about the Spanish roots. I was only aware of the Greek roots previously. Thanks, I love learning etymologies of words. --

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Close reading will reveal that the section on culture, sports, and traditions, while taken from www.ateneo.edu, has already been revised. I am restoring the section.

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You will need to note that the section on Blue and White is in fact, neutral compared to previous revisions. Marian blue is an official school color. So is white.

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as references. I would like to hear what your thoughts and feedback are on this and I hope we can come to an agreement as to how this will be written. Thank you.

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If you read the article on the school name, you'll probably figure why "the Ateneo" has been the official usage until now. It's because of quirks of translation.

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I will try to continue tomorrowm, but spotting the non-NPOV sentences is a difficult task, and I will have undoubtedly missed many things. Please help us out. :)

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Canada's national anthem. However, "O Canada" became Canada's national anthem only in 1980, three decades after the Ateneo de Manila adopted "A Song for Mary."

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original sin in the womb of Mary's mother, whom apocryphal literature names St. Anne, Santa Ana. By the eternal merits of Christ, Mary was conceived without "

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separate articles created (there was another one on the university's history). These articles can probably be expanded to be more in-depth and even anecdotal.

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player in major events, when in fact the event is widely participated by several sectors of society and by other schools.....very arrogant and elitist writing

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I largely wrote the material on the Ateneo site. It's open source. Although I've updated it before posting here. Big problem is that it's still promo text.

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If that's the case, then my edit of the summary would have served as a better guide, since I can also say it's "generally accepted." There's the risk there.

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Joker Arroyo was listed under "Noted alumni and professors", but I couldn't find anything that connected him to Ateneo so I just removed him. According to

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is recognized by the King of Spain(?) (certainly not by the King of Saudi A.) . Pontifical comes from the Vatican(?) Different sources for these titles?--

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written, it seemed like the melody was already in free-for-all before that time. Where are the other popular marching tunes that you are referring to?

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Also, the paragraph about the Ateneo's adopting the melody before it became the national anthem of Canada is simply stating a matter of fact.

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Remove the blurb about Mozart because it is not necessary -- you are only trying to discredit O, Canada's originality -- a biased statement.

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However, there has been need for some clarification with regard to how the name is used. Perhaps this snippet from a stylebook can help:

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Lacking time to do that at the moment. I've got a stash of images here, actually. I'm just trying to secure permission to use them too.

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IMHO, phrase should be added that Canadians have been singing O Canada even though it hasn't been adopted as an official anthem. --

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imply that Ateneo is justified in copying the melody because they were first to make their song official is misleading and biased.

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It appears you have done that already. Thanks, and thanks for truncating that tremendously long article on the school colors. :)

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I fail to see how this article is a hoax. There clearly is a university with this same. The only hoax is the CSD nomination.--

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but I'll leave in the use of "The Ateneo" as well as the part about Marian Blue until we can get more input about those parts.

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In March 1994, De La Salle University is the first school to be connected via leased line to the wide area network of PLDT.

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Jose Rizal graduated from the Ateneo with a degree in the arts. As a University, the Ateneo de Manila seeks to preserve….

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What is the basis for laying claim to being a "research" university? The standard followed by the US universities (e.g.

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Carmel? And then perhaps later on, the Miraculous Medal was the one used? That would be historically interesting.

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Thank you. This is almost exactly how I edited this article last week, but I was met with constant resistance.

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t's hard to see that the seal should need to be described in such detail. Also see comments above on layout.

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I didn't write the text which made the reference to The Magic Flute. But this is what can be dug up:

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Finally, the melody was not copied. It was adapted. An adaptation is different from a copy. That's

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I'm compiling all of the scores of all Ateneo-La Salle games since 1924. Anybody can help out at

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I don't get why an anon always replaces "Atenean" into "Bedan" (must be a Bedan hahaha). But on

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melody) as Canada's national anthem in 1980. That much is clearly stated in the article.

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for what I know so far. Many sections will need a substantial clean rewrite. —

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Most of the section on "Culture, sports, and traditions" was copy-pasted from

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certified by the PMAP). What about CHED's CoDs and CoEs? Ateneo has them.

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1. First sentence: It states that the song was adapted from "O, Canada".

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after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add

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How about visiting the Ateneo and manually take relevant pictures? --

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I agree about the lack of pictures. I'm still trying to source them.

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notability can be better stated than just a PAASCU accreditation? --

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removed the terribly biased section on the elegance of Marian blue.

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Repaired your "substantial changes." Will edit the degree entries.

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to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

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the school adopted "A Song for Mary", written by Fr. James Reuter

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Ateneo students often meet in the cafes along Katipunan Avenue."

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often, it only reinforces the public impression of arrogance.

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Hi again, Migs. Here's some stuff that can perhaps help you:

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Is the October Medal really that of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel?

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