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I hope you are having a good day. If I were you then I would have kinda reverted it back to its previous version where there was no infobox (there isnât a need for infobox yet because there is no sourced info about language or religion in the main article), and removed the improper use of word
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Hazarewal populations fall into three major clusters: Syeds and Awans sorted out into cluster I, ... A three-cytosine deletion (CCC) at position 16191-16193 observed in the ethnic Awan population residing in
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