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with Unitarian prayer books: Ledger-Lomas attends great detail to some privately printed revisions that were never used by a congregations that I might address in a generalist way in the influence section. I'll build upon that using both this essay and Peaston (trying to avoid his somewhat disparaging tone). This change will be the most time-intensive aspect of the review, so I apologize if it's one of the last things you get to review. More replies to come; your comments have been massively constructive and are deeply appreciated! ~
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This particular essay has some great content which I'll add as you seem to disagree with me about encyclopedic relevance; second opinion should take precedence on this. However, some of the essay's coverage seems to run counter to how Westerfield-Tucker, Japser, Peaston, Cuming and Scovel all engaged
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Also, in the title of the 1785 prayer book, it should be noted that the T in "The Use" is cited to a secondary source (which I've verified against primary sourcing) and is something of a longstanding idiosyncrasy within Anglican prayer book nomenclature. I could go into the reason it came to be that
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I think both of the above comments are addressed in the final paragraph of the "Freeman and the King's Chapel liturgy" subsection of "History" and in the lead. I can reiterate this point under influence if you think its necessary, but their modern (post-1850) influence is not as evident within the
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Names of organized religions (as well as officially recognized sects), whether as a noun or an adjective, and their adherents start with a capital letter. Unofficial movements, ideologies or philosophies within religions are generally not capitalized unless derived from a proper name. For example,
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Unfortunately, academic literature on the use of the Unitarian prayer book revisions in these regions appears nonexistent. The latest comprehensive bibliography on the subject (and I mean hilariously comprehensive) comes from 2006 and suggests no literature on BCP-specific Unitarian liturgies in
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I would emphasize the word "generally" in this MOS, as reliable sourcing generally trumps MOS guidelines. In this case "Subordinationism" is both capitalized and not capitalized in reliable (secular) academic sources, so I am will to defer to the lowercase. However, in the other parts restored,
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capitalized, unless the name derives from a proper name. ... Doctrinal topics, canonical religious ideas, and procedural systems that may be traditionally capitalized within a faith or field are given in lower case in Knowledge, such as
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The section seems to stop after reaching the first decades of the 19th century (USA) and the 1770s (Britain). It should be possible to include more about the development or use of the PB from then onwards (see for instance
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Doctrines, ideologies, philosophies, theologies, theories, movements, methods, processes, systems or "schools" of thought and practice, and fields of academic study or professional practice are
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Imo this 850-word section (in particular, much of the first and fourth paragraphs) should be edited to remove the wealth of background information that is not directly related to the book.
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I believe I've addressed every key consideration from the initial review but have noticed a few minor errors here and there and tidied them up. Hoping to have this finished by Friday! ~
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to allow time for the issues raised to be addressed. The article will need to be failed if the review cannot be completed in this time, please let me know what you think..
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Source: Peaston, A.E. (1 January 1959). "The Revision of the Prayer Book by Dr. Samuel Clarke". Transactions of the Unitarian Historical Society. 12 (1): 27 – via ProQuest.
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Thanks for the response. I think ALT1 is better, so I'll approve that hook. I'll strike ALT0, because I agree with you - "it" can refer to the book instead of the chapel.
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It may be that the list of issues in this review represents a good deal of work if they are all to be addressed, or alternatively you will be able to address them easily.
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A History of King's Chapel, in Boston, the First Episcopal Church in New England: Comprising Notices of the Introduction of Episcopacy Into the Northern Colonies
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Unitarianism developed in Europe, India, Jamaica, Japan, Canada, Nigeria, and South Africa. Is information available about any of these parts of the world?
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I've cut down that section by a bit but I'd like you to give it a peak to give me a sense of where and how much more I should pull out. Thank you! ~
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You need to be consistent in your citation style—a number of the page numbers are in the Secondary sources section, and need to be moved here.
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I disagree, as specifying the Canterbury see is important to distinguish from the similarly prestigious office of the Archbishop of York. ~
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Opted to just go without the bolding; this is a complex topic without a consistent name despite academic agreement on the topic's scope. ~
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Is there a contemporary version for modern worshippers, or is the book now regarded as outdated (as is the case in the Church of England)?
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provide the capitalizations as they are given, so I see no reason to impose a contradictory capitalization scheme for the sake of MOS. ~
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The lead needs to be expanded (probably to double its size), as at present it does not provide an adequate summary of the article.
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This part of the article appears to be a continuation of the History section, covering previously discussed historical periods...
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Please see the paragraph preceding the subsection "Freeman and the King's Chapel". I also expanded coverage under "Contents". ~
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and perhaps clarify for readers that at this time the country’s border were different to those of the modern Polish state.
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way, but suffice to say some guy convinced Oxford to publish almost a whole book on the subject back in the '40s. ~
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are primary sources, and so don’t belong within this section. I would add a new External links section for them.
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Do you have a preference on length for this addition? My feeling is three sentence is plenty sufficient. ~
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I am wondering why you reverted my decapitalization of terms referring to theological movements such as "
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Michael Ledger-Lomas’s article "Unitarians and the Book of Common Prayer in Nineteenth-Century Britain"
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I should be able to get back to you reasonably promptly at any time over the next week. Regards,
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The buildings images do not help aid the understanding of the text in this subsection (see
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They were friends prior to George II's accession, so I rewrote the preceding sentence. ~
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I'm not sure until I see it. the BCP is a dense little book. Let's try three sentences.
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Thanks for the above, please let me know when you are done on this comment.
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A history of King's Chapel with coverage of the congregation's prayer book
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I think that it's actually normative to provide these descriptions per
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Expanded. Please feel free to suggest further expansion or revision. ~
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I did not know that. Will conform future writing to that standard. ~
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These Unitarian forms influenced other prayer book revision efforts
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That's fine, it's just that not many GA articles bother with it.
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should be properly introduced, he was more than a brother-in-law.
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becoming the first Unitarian congregation in the United States?
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The last sentence needs copy editing to improve the English.
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Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
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Ok, there's a paragraph that aims to fulfill that need. ~
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