2132:, because these are an object possessed by a significant proportion of the world's population, and used on a daily basis by the vast majority of the world's secondary and tertiary students and many if not most of those with tertiary qualifications. The proportion of primary students I wouldn't like to guess (I once trained for work in Central African Republic, where I would likely have owned the only bookends for miles if even I had owned any, but didn't actually get there... long story) but in the developed world bookends are ubiquitous in primary schools too. A great many people possess them, even more use them, and if they speak English they know what we mean by the term.
1751:" Moreover, bookends are commonly sold and used in pairs, so the usage in the plural may be more common in this case than for some other topics (although probably not enough to support the plural as the primary form relative to the singular). Generally, I think that if a typical person sees an article title and thinks, based on the title, that they are reasonably sure of what the article should be about, that is what it should be about. โ
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642:'Song analysis' section: I know you have split this into three paragraphs to make this section more readable, but given that the first half of the album is meant to be a collection of songs on the same theme, I wonder if it would be better to split this section into two longer paragraphs instead, based on side one and side two of the record, and not split the paragraphs halfway through side one's "concept" album.
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899:"unhelpful"? Whether it is a question of preempting the predictable objection to "who will fix links" now, or whether it will come to use in two or five years when inevitably as happens with all albums and songs the next album "Bookends" is issued, a clear pipelink in a template is nothing but helpful. Instead of which you've just gone through articles removing pipelinks to ensure work.
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plural. (Choose some random nouns and try it for yourself.) So if we consider that as a baseline, when we see views for a particular plural that jump way up, relatively speaking, I think it's a reasonable assumption that at least a large portion of the jump is because people are looking for that plural topic separately from the common noun. So here, where the plural gets almost 9x
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whether to follow a link, they add words to the sentence or pipe the link where the article title is imprecise. (Why don't self-style titling experts understand this?) The
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1269:. Now someone searching for bookends has a convenient redirect to get where they want to go, while the 90% of people who want this album when they type "bookends" get where they want to go as well. That, combined with the hatnote here should be satisfactory for everyone involved. This is what we aim to do - get our readers where they want to go, correct?
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top with summary information clealy identifying that it is the album by Simon & Garfunkel? I suspect few entered "en.wikipedia.org/Bookends" into the url. Next to nobody types titles, they arrive with assistance. I think the 2.548-16 reflects the fact the search engines and wikilinks assist in identifying the page. --
1351:). Also refer to this quote from PLURALPT, "Because readers and editors are used to seeing titles at the singular form, and can be expected to search for them/link to them in the singular form, the intentional use of a plural form by a reader or editor can be evidence that a separate primary topic exists at the plural form."
645:'Critical reception' section: obviously it would be great if this were longer, but I understand it's not easy to get hold of reviews, particularly from the original release in 1968. I am British and in a month or so I should be able to visit the British Library and try and track down reviews from UK music magazines (
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album and then following the album hatnote to real bookends, but there will be users who simply re-enter cutting off "s". It still doesn't address the problem that there is no way a user "bookends" with a small "b" can get real bookends instead of an album from the 1960s. Even though bookends come in pairs.
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Page views and link clicks are biased to the economically privileged. Bookends over a popular album reflects a structure of generic at base names, specific topics more precisely titled. An encylopedia is more like a library than KMart. In a library, things are stored in their logical place, little
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I'm asking how users can search for real bookends without getting this album. The relevance is that currently if I search for "bookends" (small b) I don't get bookends (small b), small b sends me to an album by Simon and
Garfunkel. So how do I search for bookends (small b) and get bookends (small b)?
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looking for. Between existing non-disambiguation page topics, pageviews are of limited utility. We have no idea whether the reader who ended up here typed "bookends" or "Bookends", or even whether they were thinking of the device when they typed "Bookends" with a capitol "B". Maybe they got this far
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English-speaking territories. I've taken the liberty of first tidying up the punctuation in the article: many of the apostrophes and quotation marks were in varying fonts, and punctuation like periods
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Of your 2,548 page views, what proportion do you think came from wikilinking, where the link almost always has context, and what proportion from google, where "bookends" gives absolutely no hint that google thinks searchers want the album, but add further information and the album article hits the
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Bookends to Bookend. I agree with the position advanced above by several editors that the primary topic of "Bookends" is, well, bookends. That they generally come in pairs, increasing the frequency with which they'd be referred to by the plural, only strengthens the
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Reject the the Simon & Garfunkel album as primary topic because it is a commercial product named to capitalise on an existing and familiar term, and because
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I guess the answer is that we don't know. Even if books are around for a long time, bookends may not be; and even if they are, they're just not that important historically. They're like doorstops for bookshelves. I concede, however, that there's a long run over which bookends are likely to be more
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I wasn't aware that "number of items sold/in existence" was relevant in terms of current policy and guidelines, either.... If you really don't think that most of our current "bookends"-seeking readers are looking for this article, in spite of contrary evidence, then I guess there's nothing else to
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That only deals with the title of the objects, not the usage of the plural. How is this musical subject primary over the objects? That also must be satisfied, or the object would be primary, since it is only by
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This is apocryphal. Basically it's nonsense. And as for side 2 'largely' consisting of unused material: Simon had only three songs for
Nichols, only one (Mrs Robinson) was used, one unused is 'Overs' which is on side ONE, so this is more rubbish. It'd sure be nice if WP writers could occasionally
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I'm sorry - I thought that by including size in my latest response as one the of the stats by which one can compare the two articles to determine which is the primarytopic for "bookends", I was addressing your question. It's not a simple byte-to-byte comparison, but when one article (this one) is
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issues has been to weigh the importance of each of the topics involved. If, hypothetically, all of our common noun articles were at the plural title, what would be the primary topic between the common noun topic and the popular culture topic. In most cases I think that the answer is obviously the
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I buy all of that, and certainly the general concept. I do think that we can get some rough idea, though, by looking at general trends in plural usage. I've mentioned this elsewhere, but if you look across subjects, the singular version of a word tends to get 10x or even 20x the pageviews of the
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1802:. Historically, parachutes are much more important than bookends; although I would not deign to compare the importance of the Coldplay Album with the Simon and Garfunkel album, we know that the latter album has the benefit of still being the subject of critical acclaim nearly five decades on.
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lengthier than the other, I think it says something about the relative importance that WP editors at least, have assigned it, and stands as a good proxy for what our readers, too, will be interested in. But let's put that aside for now, please. Let's assume that size has zero to do with this
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1166:, I mean how does someone who is looking for real "bookends" type "bookends" in the top right hand search box and get real bookends? How do they type "bookends" and avoid getting an album instead? Our search doesn't distinguish initial b/B, our titles don't distinguish initial b/B.
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Fakin It. Half-way through the song, there is a background sound of a door opening, and the
English tune "Clogger's Horpipe" played on a concertina. A voice says "Good morning Mr Leitch. Had a busy day?". This is sometimes taken to be a reference to Donovan (Donovan Leitch).
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or similar unlikely redirects, how does a reader get from searching for real bookends to get to an article about real bookends? Remember the rh search box cannot distinguish between initial b and initial capital B. So how does a reader search for bookends and get bookends?
2704:. That strongly suggests that people are expecting to find the album when they type in "bookends", and that the proposed move will make life more difficult for our readers. I would hope that some of the !opposers above will see this and reconsider their !votes.
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SmokeyJoe, I don't understand. Someone who buys an album is economically privileged, whereas someone who buys a bookend is not? Most bookends are commercially produced and sold products, yes? And those who click the most (or at least most of those who click) -
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For the past week, there has been a special redirect in place at this article to track the number of people who come here looking for the object instead of the album. It's not an exact science. But the results are pretty striking. Over the past eight days:
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I think a bookend is a bit more like the typewriter carriage return lever than it is like assembler language, or even like "pen and paper". Some libraries are full of books but bereft of bookends because they have other means of arranging their shelves.
1392:, why should we do it for something else that comes in pairs (i.e. I don't think you can even buy a single "one bookend" on Amazon.com). So how does a user search for "bookends" with a small "b" and get real bookends instead of an album from the 1960s?
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Bookends is a concept album that explores a life journey from childhood to old age. Side one of the album marks successive stages in life, the theme serving as bookends to the life cycle. Side two largely consists of unused material for The
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The album, on the other hand, sold two million copies. That's a lot, but there are even more bookends. Many times. And those who don't know that bookends exist have largely never heard of the 1968 Simon and Garfunkel album either, in my estimation.
579:(full stops) and commas were incorrectly placed before the closing quotation marks. I left the wording alone for the most part (save obvious errors), but there are some words that to me don't seem right in the context of an encyclopedia article.
2226:. But no worries. If you (not just you - the larger "you") want to make it more difficult for our readers to get to the page they're looking for, it makes me sad, but that seems to be the direction we're going around RM and AT. C'est la vie....
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Additional Facts and Other Interesting Details: In the past, the bookends were made from very heavy materials. Lighter versions only emerged sometime in the 1870s, a time when the simple sheet metal was originally patented for this specific
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Thanks for the openness and clarity in sharing your thought process on these moves. Would we all do the same! One question, though - what about the usage criterion? It is the other major criterion we are supposed consider in determining
2352:, but too lazy to bother with the artist or genre, should still expect it find it easily in a popular shop, or google, but should not expect to find it has the first entry in the contents page of a reference work of all information. --
1928:- I'm still a little stumped. Certainly, the bookend article is capable of some expansion, and perhaps "unlikely to grow" should have been more like "unlikely to grow substantially" or "unlikely to grow into an article of the size of
1368:, I'm sorry to press you but how does this answer my simple question. How do I search for "bookends" with a small "b" and get bookends instead of an album from the 1960s. Search cannot distinguish between initial "b" and "B".
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It is near to inevitable that there will be other media products with a generic name. It happens to all our song album book film articles eventually. In this case it has already happened in fact, there is already another
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article, the traffic stats would reflect that. Instead, in the last month, we have 7k coming here, 1k at bookend, and almost nobody at the disambig page. it seems they are using the singular and finding it just fine.
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Actually, strike that. We can't find consensus until we start from the same foundation. So - do you agree or disagree that most of our current "bookends"-seeking readers are looking for this article? Let's start there.
1733:, the number of English-speaking people on the planet who think of "Bookends" primarily as an album is certainly much smaller than the number who think of "Bookends" as things used to hold books upright on shelves. Per
624:'Background', last line: "The duo offered another new song, then titled "Mrs. Roosevelt", that was not as developed..." โ I think it should be stated here that this was the song that later turned into "Mrs. Robinson".
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says "plurals are treated like any other topic", and if it didn't we ought to ignore it. The primary encyclopedic topic seems to be the object. Also, there are lot of other meanings for "Bookends" (several listed at
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I'm just going to interject here that I think there's a degree to which bookends are like typewriter carriage return levers. How much longer will people even have books as anything other than a historic curiosity?
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I don't think we need it at all. That's what wiktionary is for. I guess if there's cultural or social or scientific or historical scrutiny of bookends, then... (I'm probably being a cultural philistine. Good.)
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I think it says something about the relative importance that WP editors at least, have assigned it, and stands as a good proxy for what our readers, too, will be interested in. But let's put that aside for now,
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At the very end of the album (after the Zoo)there is a very faint backwards message - I suspect it is one of their other songs being played backwards. Does anyone know what it is or know the story behind this?
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etc is that you're mixing up relevant issues with ones that are irrelevant (particularly but not only article size, see my first question which you have not addressed at all). It makes the discussion rather
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It wasn't "fixing", and it's not "inevitable". It was premature if this RM is successful, and unnecessary if it fails. It's best practice to link to an actual article instead of a redirect most of the time.
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question. Can you look at the other criteria I mentioned - pageviews, number and quality of refs, incoming links, and explain how exactly you think reader experience will be improved by this RM? Thanks.
636:'Recording and production', third paragraph: "John Simon's work with the duo begat several tracks..." โ don't think I've seen the word "begat" used outside of the Bible! "Produced" would be simpler.
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will want to find. Reader experience trumps all other considerations. Some of our guidelines seem to need fixing, and the first step in this is to get a rough consensus supporting this move. And
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would make the autosuggest meaningful. Looking at the autosuggest in action in the image to the right, does it not look likely that a reader will expect "Bookends" to be the ordinary thing? --
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My fault entirely Dom โ I never intended to open the review in the first place, I just wanted to comment on it, and I didn't have the time to carry out the review. My apologies to all involved.
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claim was IMO quite simply contrary to all evidence. I'll answer more fully when I deal with some local emergencies I hope, but meantime perhaps you might indicate for me why you think the
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I realize that two wrongs don't make a right, but try searching "richhoncho" and "knee jerk" or "knee-jerk" - I was just using their own terminology. If you find it offensive, I apologize.
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and assumed Knowledge (XXG) has no article on the device, and gave up. We also really have no idea whether they came here from a link in another page, like the one I made when I created "
630:'Recording and production', second paragraph: "allowed Simon to show off his chops..." โ same thing regarding idiomatic expressions... how about "allowed Simon to display his talents..."?
627:'Recording and production', first paragraph: "on Columbia's dime" โ I don't think idiomatic expressions like this should be used in the article, I would prefer "at Columbia's expense".
639:'Recording and production', third paragraph: "Her reportings were printed..." โ "reportings" isn't a word you would use here, maybe "Her observations were reported" would work better.
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write it down exactly as it appears on the screen" is large and still growing. It's not easy to search the logs of a dead box, and a lot more trouble than just using pen and paper.
2803:. If you think that making "Bookends" a redirect to "Bookend" will improve that number, I have a counter-example I could show you. It's hard to improve on 0.6%, don't you think?
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I note the similar pair (ho ho), nomination, Parachute/Parachutes has been resolved with a straight mathematic !vote of 8 to 2 (with one neutral) and the album has been moved to
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at the time, I would have pointed the link there, and everyone who decided to go from the song to the album would have boosted the pagecount of the latter title, not the former.
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for a reason - a reader or editor who types in "bookends" is much more likely to intend this well-known album by a well-known artist. No need to misdirect readers unnecessarily.
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common noun topic. Here, I am not so sure, only because the book-supporting device is relatively insignificant in the scope of human history. It could almost be merged into
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Perhaps, but that wasn't the question I asked. I asked "So how does a user search for "bookends" with a small "b" and get real bookends instead of an album from the 1960s?"
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I don't know how you can say there is no way for them to get there and then in the same comment discuss the disambiguation page they use to get there.
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I don't want to give up on consensus yet. You do realise that record sales are one of the key pieces of evidence accepted as evidence of notability?
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The Wiki page on Paul Simon gives his birth date as Oct 13, 1941. This is in conflict with the Background section that states he was 27 in 1966.
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will want to find." Isn't reader experience made better by sending people to a better article that they're trying to reach in the first place?
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curb their immature enthusiasm and, for now, it'd be satisfactory if someone could correct the above. Thank you.
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2185:WP:PLURALPT
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1958:There's no
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1735:WP:PLURALPT
1731:WP:ASTONISH
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1587:per above.
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1382:WP:ASTONISH
1212:See below.
1178:WP:PLURALPT
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837:WP:PLURALPT
768:move review
733:Richard3120
697:Richard3120
681:Richard3120
555:Richard3120
540:transcluded
351:86.149.92.6
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2089:addressing
2020:difficult.
1908:purpose...
1903:good stubs
1778:Richhoncho
1568:Necrothesp
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493:Authorship
479:GA toolbox
257:discussion
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1944:article.
1339:Refer to
1259:Solution?
701:Thardin12
552:Reviewer:
516:Templates
507:Reviewing
472:GA Review
135:Main Page
2969:Cheers.โ
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