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Valley branch, 20-mile Greenville branch, 18-mile Manchester and Milford branch, 13-mile Stony Brook branch, 12-mile Bristol branch, 12-Mile Marlboro branch, 12-mile Lawrence branch, 7-mile Lowell branch, 6-mile Georgetown branch, 6-mile Tilton and Belmont branch, 5-mile Franklin and Tilton branch, 4-mile Merrimack branch, and 4-mile Amesbury branch were almost entirely within the watershed, as were approximately 140 miles of the southern division main line, 71 miles of the White Mountains division main line, 51 miles of the W,N & P division main line, 41 miles of the Fitchburg division main line, 40 miles of the Keene branch, 39 miles of the Worcester and Hillsboro branch, 27 miles of the Claremont branch, 22 miles of the Lakeport branch, 17 miles of the Portland division main line, 11 miles of the Portsmouth branch, 10 miles of the Lexington branch, 6 miles of the Newburyport branch, and 6 miles of the Wolfesboro branch. That was approximately one-third of B&M mileage. By way of comparison, the next largest fraction, approximately one-quarter of B&M mileage was in the Connecticut River watershed, where B&M competed with the New Haven, Boston & Albany, Central Vermont, Grand Trunk, Maine Central, and Rutland railroads.
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similarly separated by the high ground between drainage basins. I suggest the drainage basin concept should be accepted as an equally valid alternative to political subdivisions. B&M built its transportation empire around a virtual monopoly of rail service in the Merrimack Valley. A major fraction of B&M mileage was within the watershed, and main lines connected the watershed to Boston, Maine, Canada, and the rail network west of New England. Other railways carried major fractions of rail traffic to and from Boston and within Maine; but the Merrimack River watershed was uniquely linked to the B&M as no political subdivision of equivalent area has been.
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what's important. We need to remember the topic of the article and its connection to the watershed. Is it important enough to mention within the article? Maybe. Do we need to add the entire menu of information in the watershed template? I do not think so. We also need to keep in mind that the railroad passed over MANY rivers. What would the article look like if we added all of these templates? I can only imagine it would deviate from the importance of the article itself and branch off into something it is not.
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raised a good question today. What should the end date for the Boston and Maine be? It was purchased by Guilford in 1983, which was the previous end date. EPBeatles changed it to 1987 today, in light of how B&M was contracted to run commuter service for MBTA until that date. Technically, B&M
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The article makes mention of a specific date for the leasing of Eastern railroad by B&M. However, in my attempts to verify the date, I found conflicting information. I was able to find a different date in a number of sources, but only one mentioned the original date, and indirectly at that. I
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Perhaps I have been unclear. I am not proposing adding many river templates -- only one. More than crossing the river a few times, the 30-mile North Weare branch, 27-mile Manchester and Lawrence branch, 24-mile Acton branch, 24-mile Milford branch, 22-mile Suncook Valley Branch, 21-mile Pemigewasset
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Footer templates are for linking articles that users will frequently wish to visit in series - for example, tributaries of the same river. The B&M and the Merrimack River are not articles that users need to conveniently navigate between. Grouping articles that don't need direct navigation - and
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The B&M article carries a map with B&M lines in red, and alien rails in black. The above NYC/Rutland Railway trains ran from Chatham, to Peterburg Junction, to Rutland, --these latter stations being in Vermont, and on, northward. None of this route is in red. It would be most unfortunate if
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I can certainly understand your point here, however, the B&M is much larger than just the Merrimack. Additionally, the watershed has very limited connection to the article. Just because the B&M crossed over the river a few times does not mean we need to redirect attention of the article to
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at the end of this article. Discussion here may be more useful than initial attempts to resolve this disagreement on individual talk pages. Although there is an obvious significance to the net of rivers defining the basin, the habitation centers and other infrastructure listed in the template are
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A long time ago I heard that around 1960 a manager of the B&M, a Mr. McInnes perhaps, took up the double 110-pound double Krupp rail from the Portland Division and replaced it with 85-pound single. He had the B&M sell the Krupp rail to a relative of his who ran a scrapyard. The scrap's
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was unable to follow the reference trail for the original date any further as the cited material does not seem to be available online. Because I found multiple, consistent sources claiming a different date for the leasing, I'm inclined to change the current article to reflect this new date.
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Yes, but I am still not certain I understand the significance of the connection. Especially since two thirds of the railroad was still not within the watershed. I see no need to include this template. It is not related enough in my mind.
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As the depot in Troy, NH is being restored, the source of water and the easements through various plots is often asked. Where was the source and how it reach the engines? Does Nester's Brook ring a bell?
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As this information is not substantiated, it is inappropriate for an article, but perhaps some railway historian has further information, and could write a book that could become a source for an article.
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Would anybody be willing or able to add a complete list of Boston and Main Railroad passenger trains? Come to think of it, this question should probably apply to a lot of big railroads. ----
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trackage to Chatham, New York. There after they ran on Rutland Railway trackage, up through western Vermont, through Rutland, Middlebury, Burlington, and into Ontario, Canada. Thus, they
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Where is the information from that this road was opened in 1880? I nowhere found that date. (I didn't find any opening date at all.) Please give sources for that or remove the date. --
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Great work! I don't think December 2, 1884 is actually the effective date of the lease - though you've proved beyond doubt that's when it was signed.
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still exists today, though it doesn't run any trains. Which of those three end dates would make the most sense (1983, 1987, or no end date at all)?
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I don't have an answer to your question, but you might have better luck if you ask at RAILROAD.NET's Boston & Maine forum. Here is the link:
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The single rail on the line, in today's increased MBTA commuter use, provides congestion that retention of the double rail would have prevented.
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The Historical Guide to North American Railroads: Histories, Figures, and Features of more than 160 Railroads Abandoned or Merged since 1930
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went over B&M trackage. These trains ran over New York Central trackage in the southeastern section of New York State, on
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selling price was a tiny fraction of the actual value of the steel. Or should I say steal?
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It would be interesting to have ridership numbers by year or by route. --
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