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British attack on US soil during the Revolution, far from the case of the Battle of St. Vincent faught in another continent with a belligerent not even involved in the Revolution.
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It's not 'vandalism' just because one wikipedian see it one way over another's. Once and for all, this battle has NOTHING to do with the
American Revolution; please stop changing words in the article to even attempt to link it. This battle is NEVER taught in schools as being part of the rev. nor is
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The article and infobox both mention this, but if this battle really did have anything to do with
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In the introduction paragraph there was "about 20 ships of the line", however in the second paragraph of the background section, there is a sourced comment saying there was specifically 19. I don't have access to the source to double check it's correct, but should the intro be edited to make the
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It is not vandalism if my points are more valid than another user's. Additionally, 'he said/she said' is not how to play the game here- you say my edits are vandalism; I say yours are. Your examples are also weak in that they are inextricably part of the
Revolution and are rightfully taught as
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